More cuts coming at Netjets????

[ozpilot]

Well said 172 Driver!

and then go home in ATL. Pretty nice......

Theres a contradiction. The only mistake General W.T. Sherman made was to allow that city to be rebuilt!

 

[ozpilot]

We offer a product like you do, which is better than others.

Hmmm .. Top 10 US Carriers as reported by Travel & Leisure (http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/item.aspx?type=blog&ak=68494110.blog)

"So, which airline topped the Travel + Leisure rankings? That would be Virgin America, which was named the best domestic airline for the second consecutive year. In fact, the Travel + Leisure list seems to skew heavily against the nation's traditional "legacy carriers." Curiously, not a single of those so-called legacy carriers made Travel + Leisure’s top 10 list. Rounding out the top ten list of domestic carriers were No. 2 JetBlue, No. 3 Midwest, No. 4 WestJet, No. 5 Southwest, No. 6 Sun Country, No. 7 Hawaiian Airlines, No. 8 Frontier, No. 9 Alaska Airlines and No. 10 USA 3000."

But Delta flies internationally too, so lets take a look at the top 10 international carriers.

"Travel + Leisure also rated the world's top international airlines, where perennial kingpin Singapore Airlines again topped the list. It was followed by two new entrants to the Travel + Leisure rankings, No. 2 Qatar Airways and No. 3 Emirates. Rounding out the "best" international airlines were No. 4 Japan Airlines, No. 5 Virgin Atlantic, No. 6 All Nippon Airways, No. 7 Cathay Pacific, No. 8 Thai Airways, No. 9 Air New Zealand and No. 10 Asiana Airlines."

Hmmm ... once again no mention of Delta Airlines.

Perhaps General if you spent more time sitting in the back of one of your airplanes (where your customers are), you would understand.

 

[General Lee]

Hmmm .. Top 10 US Carriers as reported by Travel & Leisure (http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/item.aspx?type=blog&ak=68494110.blog)

"So, which airline topped the Travel + Leisure rankings? That would be Virgin America, which was named the best domestic airline for the second consecutive year. In fact, the Travel + Leisure list seems to skew heavily against the nation's traditional "legacy carriers." Curiously, not a single of those so-called legacy carriers made Travel + Leisure’s top 10 list. Rounding out the top ten list of domestic carriers were No. 2 JetBlue, No. 3 Midwest, No. 4 WestJet, No. 5 Southwest, No. 6 Sun Country, No. 7 Hawaiian Airlines, No. 8 Frontier, No. 9 Alaska Airlines and No. 10 USA 3000."

But Delta flies internationally too, so lets take a look at the top 10 international carriers.

"Travel + Leisure also rated the world's top international airlines, where perennial kingpin Singapore Airlines again topped the list. It was followed by two new entrants to the Travel + Leisure rankings, No. 2 Qatar Airways and No. 3 Emirates. Rounding out the "best" international airlines were No. 4 Japan Airlines, No. 5 Virgin Atlantic, No. 6 All Nippon Airways, No. 7 Cathay Pacific, No. 8 Thai Airways, No. 9 Air New Zealand and No. 10 Asiana Airlines."

Hmmm ... once again no mention of Delta Airlines.

Perhaps General if you spent more time sitting in the back of one of your airplanes (where your customers are), you would understand.

You mean like when you sit back there in a middle seat when your tours start and end? That still cracks me up. And, you are comparing something with Sun Country above Delta as fact? Have you ever been on Sun Country? Come on now. Do you really read Travel and Leisure Magazine? I bet you do sport. I bet you also read Glamour magazine and The Enquirer. How about you read these recent articles about your company from the NY Times? Better reading I am sure, and enlightening for you.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

No, you are correct in that a furlough is coming. However, your assertions that crewmembers eating salmon crew meals being part of the problem, and the parking of the Encore fleet being indicative of losing owners every day, are simply your way of showing you really have no idea how the fractional business works. But hey, you read an article on NetJets, you must be an expert on the fractional biz, just like every other aviation segment that you read an article on. How's that Popeye's on Concourse C by the way?

Actually, my INTL flights from ATL only leave from the T Concourse and the E Concourse. The meal selections are ok---On The Border Mexican Food in T and that new Sushi place in E, but remember sport I get fed very well on my own plane. Really tasty lately.

And, you are parking your Encore fleet because it is junky and not well subscribed to, and a friend of mine at NJA (still there after the furlough) told me about the Salmon he could order from your exclusive "menu" that will probably be gone shortly. Your fractional business is falling. Even the Bernie Madoff stuff affected you (you lost about 75 owners). Your fractional shares aren't worth as much, so people cannot sell them or afford to pay the "extras" it costs to use their shares anyway. Congress slammed the Automakers for using their jets to come to Congress and beg for money, and that affected a lot of other businesses with fractions or their own jets. It looked too "elitest." That aint good for you guys. Top that with Santulli's over the top spending (giving 300 early outs with 3 year pay? I heard Buffet came down hard on Santulli about that--and where is your savior Santulli now? He helped your pilots, but not your bottomline...). Face it, I do know more about this business than you think, and I know your new CEO is going to fix it, unfortunately. Looks like the only salmon you may get now is in First Class---unless I get it first.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ozpilot]

General

If United/Delta/USAirways were battling for top spot, we may have something to talk about. Read the article again - Delta is not even in the top 10! I understand that your are proud of your airline - but you see it only as a pilot - not as a customer.

btw if you don't like my article, feel free to google "Best US Airlines" for yourself. You'll find similar results.

By your own admission I spend a lot more time airlining than you do - I flown on pretty much every US airline as well as BA, Cathay, Qantas, Lufthansa Air New Zealand etc etc. I'm being polite when I say the service level provided by US Legacy carriers is "poor".

I just love it when you guys change your uniforms/paint schemes every couple of years. It usually accompanied by a press release stating your "reinventing" yourselves. That always cracks me up - You've been in business 60+ years - Haven't you figured it out yet?

 

[imacdog]

Face it, I do know more about this business than you think, and I know your new CEO is going to fix it, unfortunately. Looks like the only salmon you may get now is in First Class---unless I get it first.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Actually most of what you stated in this post is not accurate. BTW I have flown on Sun Country; they do offer better service than Delta. Not sure what your fascination with Salmon is, but just so you know, the actual food selection in our crew food orders often does not change the price of the meal.

 

[General Lee]

General

If United/Delta/USAirways were battling for top spot, we may have something to talk about. Read the article again - Delta is not even in the top 10! I understand that your are proud of your airline - but you see it only as a pilot - not as a customer.

btw if you don't like my article, feel free to google "Best US Airlines" for yourself. You'll find similar results.

By your own admission I spend a lot more time airlining than you do - I flown on pretty much every US airline as well as BA, Cathay, Qantas, Lufthansa Air New Zealand etc etc. I'm being polite when I say the service level provided by US Legacy carriers is "poor".

I just love it when you guys change your uniforms/paint schemes every couple of years. It usually accompanied by a press release stating your "reinventing" yourselves. That always cracks me up - You've been in business 60+ years - Haven't you figured it out yet?

Dude, did you read in Marie Claire that Fergie might be a lesbian or Bi? Who cares??? Look, I don't care what Travel and Leisure Magazine says. You do, but I don't.......go read some business magazines and read up on how your fractional business is going these days.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[imacdog]

Maybe this is the great customer service you are talking about at Delta, General?

http://gothamist.com/2009/12/22/police_called_to_quell_unruly_crowd.php

 

[General Lee]

Actually most of what you stated in this post is not accurate. BTW I have flown on Sun Country; they do offer better service than Delta. Not sure what your fascination with Salmon is, but just so you know, the actual food selection in our crew food orders often does not change the price of the meal.

Whatever man! You continue to fly on Sun Country and enjoy it. I hope you have a fantastic time too. And, my point with the salmon sandwiches is that your options may get closer to "Flight Options" options later on. Hey, we all have to go through that with a downsizing. We did it too after our BK, although a lot of that has been restored since. Good luck.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Maybe this is the great customer service you are talking about at Delta, General?

http://gothamist.com/2009/12/22/police_called_to_quell_unruly_crowd.php

A lot of that is due to our RJs, not mainline service. You knew that, right? Do your passengers who have to fly on EJM like it as much as NJA? Probably not. But, sometimes you have to substitute them in. We change planes on routes all the time, and we can't control the feed sometimes. We are in the process of weeding some out (Mesa), and things will get better on that side. Thanks for caring.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[imacdog]

Who cares what planes are at the gate - your company thought it would be a brilliant move to house, what, something like 14 planes and run all the passengers through two doors in the terminal? I wouldn't compare the chaos that is JFK to substituting a Falcon with a QS on the tail for a Falcon with an EJ on the tail, but that's just me.

 

[ozpilot]

Look, I don't care what Travel and Leisure Magazine says. You do, but I don't.....

And therein lies the problem ... unfortunately your management seems to have the same attitude. I'm proud to fly for Netjets and of the brand. I'm proud to work for a company that is consistently ranked at the top of the industry. I'd be ashamed if I couldn't even make the top 10 ..

I don't know how you can talk such false bravado about your company while you clearly ignore the complaints of your customers.

Our owners know we airline at the beginning and end of our tours. I have no problem telling them its the worst part of the job. I don't hesitate to tell them that "the pilots of Netjets airline, so you don't have to!"

But keep your head in the sand General and keep up the crappy service - in these turbulent times I appreciate the job security.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Guys, the General doesn't know squat about our business so there's no reason to keep feeding the troll. You kind of have to be on the inside of a company to know anything about where it's going. So trusting the General's take on Netjets would be like trusting my take on Delta. Except, oh yeah, my wife is a PILOT at DELTA. A NERD actually. Never Ever Really Delta. Hey General, why don't you PM me your employee number so she can avoid you on her next bid?

 

[johnsonrod]

Enough school girl bickering... Netjets is better than Delta, No Delta is better...

Instead of everyone slamming each other over and over with pointless bickering, let's just recognize that restructuring is required to bring costs in line with projected revenues at Netjets... Times have changed and a new Sheriff is in town. This new Sheriff also wants to eventually lead Uncle Warren's empire and he has something to prove - he wants to prove that he can put Netjets' fiscal house in order.

The point is that the revamped Netjets (post restructuring) will likely be in a great position to excel going forward. As the economy returns to normal, hopefully more and more furloughees will return to a better-run operation. That's the point. Short-term pain for long-term gain.

Peace out.

 

[Jack Campbell]

I thought that's what this thread was about, anyway. NJA should be in a better position after they clean house. Hopefully they didnt just blow a great chance to gain market share with the small rebound we are seeing, but they are still overstaffed I think so there is still room to add new owners even after the 495 are off property. As has been said before, time will tell.

 

[General Lee]

Guys, the General doesn't know squat about our business so there's no reason to keep feeding the troll. You kind of have to be on the inside of a company to know anything about where it's going. So trusting the General's take on Netjets would be like trusting my take on Delta. Except, oh yeah, my wife is a PILOT at DELTA. A NERD actually. Never Ever Really Delta. Hey General, why don't you PM me your employee number so she can avoid you on her next bid?

Yeah, OK, and how about my credit card numbers too? Whatever dude.....I am soooo glad everyone has to be on the "inside" of the company to know what is going on at Netjets. Hmmmm, let me guess, you are furloughing because of your huge profits? Riiiight. Things are a changing, and even you (the NJA expert) can't refute that. That is my point here, nothing less. You guys thought you were invincible (Capt Dad thought so anyway) and it looks like that just isn't the case. And, tell your wife "welcome to Delta." Remember, the NWA management is now running the show, which means anything she doesn't like, she knows where to point the finger. BTW, I fly the 7ER to Europe usually during weekdays.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[gutshotdraw]

Yeah, OK, and how about my credit card numbers too? Whatever dude.....I am soooo glad everyone has to be on the "inside" of the company to know what is going on at Netjets. Hmmmm, let me guess, you are furloughing because of your huge profits? Riiiight. Things are a changing, and even you (the NJA expert) can't refute that. That is my point here, nothing less. You guys thought you were invincible (Capt Dad thought so anyway) and it looks like that just isn't the case. And, tell your wife "welcome to Delta." Remember, the NWA management is now running the show, which means anything she doesn't like, she knows where to point the finger. BTW, I fly the 7ER to Europe usually during weekdays.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I don't work for NJA. I work for NJI which you could have discerned by my profile but you don't even understand the difference because you don't understand our business. And yes, things are changing. It's the cornerstone of capitalism: creative destruction. And guess what? NJA and NJI will be profitable in 2010. We'll wait for the SEC filings to see how much your beloved Delta LOSES next year.

And BTW, she hates the uniform. Oops. Have to point the finger at DELTA for that one. After all, we know why Delta guys like the hats: it hides the circumcision scar.

Happy Holidays. I'm out on this one.

 

[General Lee]

I don't work for NJA. I work for NJI which you could have discerned by my profile but you don't even understand the difference because you don't understand our business. And yes, things are changing. It's the cornerstone of capitalism: creative destruction. And guess what? NJA and NJI will be profitable in 2010. We'll wait for the SEC filings to see how much your beloved Delta LOSES next year.

And BTW, she hates the uniform. Oops. Have to point the finger at DELTA for that one. After all, we know why Delta guys like the hats: it hides the circumcision scar.

Happy Holidays. I'm out on this one.

Thanks for the clarification. (Already knew that) When do the lists merge between NJI and NJA? Pretty soon, I bet. Will you go to a Beechjet? You might. Oh wait, they will be parked, along with the BBJs. That will affect you--- Losing the largest aircraft (BBJ) will rain stuff down upon you. Will you be profitable in 2010? You mean when you sell all of your Encores and other smaller jets at a loss? Maybe cancelling the $2.6 billion order for Hawker 4000s will help you achieve that profit? Heck, why don't you sell half the fleet, and you will show a profit! That's the ticket....Your new CEO seems to have an URGENT need to slash and burn things there. Do you get that feeling, or am I wrong along with the press?

Delta had a tough year with hedges, and would have been profitable without them. Next year looks a lot better, and our cash position is better than most (a lot better than Netjet's). So, your wife hates the DL uniform, eh? Doesn't like the Navy look? Women don't really look great in the double breasted uniform anyway, and that was approved by the CEO himself, a product of NWA. I am sure she will come to love the new "family". Have a great Holiday Season.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[gutshotdraw]

Last post on this topic General:

You have displayed your ignorance once again. NJI and NJA will complete seniority list integration in November 2010. Nobody is being displaced from their seat and will not be "going to the Beechjet." I actually move UP seniority (in relative terms) because of the integration. And nobody will be "raining down" on anybody from the BBJ. They will bid what their seniority can hold based on the fleet disposal language in the contract. If they want the G-Wiz, it will still be in the IV because of the LOA's in place. I won't see any of them for a couple of years.

The company is moving in the right direction. We will be operationally profitable in 2010. I doubt Delta will be.

 

[stingray]

Hey Private Lee The only thing I see you have time to fly is the Computer over 13,000+ post, Holy Cow