More cuts coming at Netjets????

[Heavy Set]

True Gret, but if you take the time to read what he wrote, it's right on. GL won't bother because he is an idiot.

I have a unique perspective on this as I was a Delta 767ER Capt until late 2007 when I was forced to retire. I work for NJ now (until Jan 16). There are a few like the Gen at Delta (and most other carriers, I suspect). Thankfully, they are in the minority. They think they got to Delta because they were better than everyone else. In reality, Delta made a mistake hiring them.

Helm

And you weren't like that at Delta when you were there? Riight. A lot of the guys that retired just before BK were into themselves mainly. How do I know? I have several Delta pilots living near me, and they tell me that all the time. You just got caught at the wrong time, and now you get to feel what many junior pilots to you at Delta were feeling after 9-11. Welcome to juniority. It happened to me too at Tower Air, but now I am doing better than most legacy Captains.

 

[Heavy Set]

Yeah, other than this one instance when she hit the sack with a guy she just met, she is pure as the driven snow!

Didn't he say she was rich? I think he "scored."

 

[transpac]

Didn't he say she was rich? I think he "scored."

You could be right. Maybe the Delta pilot group is the source of her vast financial resources. Less likely is that she's part of the General's stable of working girls.

 

[acaTerry]

I think Motel 6 leaves the light on.

That's the Red Roof Inn I thought.

 

[OPECJet]

And you weren't like that at Delta when you were there? Riight. A lot of the guys that retired just before BK were into themselves mainly. How do I know? I have several Delta pilots living near me, and they tell me that all the time. You just got caught at the wrong time, and now you get to feel what many junior pilots to you at Delta were feeling after 9-11. Welcome to juniority. It happened to me too at Tower Air, but now I am doing better than most legacy Captains.

I interviewed with this guy and know a bit of his airline history. He is no "Deltoid" and doesn't have that sort of attitude.

I also have some very humble friends at Delta, and some not so humble friends at a certain overgrown regional. Delta does seem to have a fairly high tool to cool ratio, but not near as high as Junglebus Air.

While we're on the subject, has anyone pointed out to Lieutenant Lee that this time next year there will be 495 fewer Platinum Medallion members out there? This NJA furlough will pinch the airlines a little bit as well in fewer premium ticket sales.

 

[jonjuan]

has anyone pointed out to Lieutenant Lee that this time next year there will be 495 fewer Platinum Medallion members out there? This NJA furlough will pinch the airlines a little bit as well in fewer premium ticket sales.

Everyone at nja flies 100,000 miles/year on DL? Yikes!!!

 

[Pervis]

Everyone at nja flies 100,000 miles/year on DL? Yikes!!!

No, not a chance. There will be at least 10,000 to 20,000 fewer full fare tickets purchased per year, however. DAL will take a big share of the loss, simply based on market share in the domestic US. As will AA and United.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I flew just over 60,000 miles on Delta this year and another 20,000+ on Continental. And I don't live in a fortress hub for either airline. You would be shocked by the airline dollars spent every year by NJA/I.

 

[OPECJet]

Wasn't thinking about combining airline miles, and of course where your based has a lot to do with which airline you spend the most time on. A lot of the frequent flier status is gained on segments rather than miles. I had silver on DL nailed down in March for next year based on segments. Ended up gold based on miles. Went out on medical before I hit platinum. Doesn't matter anyway since I won't be flying any time soon.

Anyhow, my point is that El Generalmente acts like a gigantic baboon. I don't particularly have anything against the guy, in fact I figure he's got about the same sick sense of humor I have. It's just at times his Papio hamadryas behavior really shines through.

 

[General Lee]

Wasn't thinking about combining airline miles, and of course where your based has a lot to do with which airline you spend the most time on. A lot of the frequent flier status is gained on segments rather than miles. I had silver on DL nailed down in March for next year based on segments. Ended up gold based on miles. Went out on medical before I hit platinum. Doesn't matter anyway since I won't be flying any time soon.

Anyhow, my point is that El Generalmente acts like a gigantic baboon. I don't particularly have anything against the guy, in fact I figure he's got about the same sick sense of humor I have. It's just at times his Papio hamadryas behavior really shines through.

Well, we may lose some platinum medalian fliers (NJA pilots), but we will make it up with people that used to have Netjet Shares and now fly the airlines. Hey, I don't want anyone to lose their jobs, but your model is broken, and your new CEO is about to fix it. That sucks for a lot of people, but Santulli did a poor job, just like some of our past DL leaders did. Good luck with your future endevors.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[fischman]

Well, we may lose some platinum medalian fliers (NJA pilots), but we will make it up with people that used to have Netjet Shares and now fly the airlines.

Yeah right... Keep dreaming.

NetJets has something Delta doesn't. Brand loyalty with the owners (or pax in your case). Delta is a commodity like bottles of water or popcorn. Your passengers fly the lowest fare. Not so with NetJets.

 

[General Lee]

True Gret, but if you take the time to read what he wrote, it's right on. GL won't bother because he is an idiot.

I have a unique perspective on this as I was a Delta 767ER Capt until late 2007 when I was forced to retire. I work for NJ now (until Jan 16). There are a few like the Gen at Delta (and most other carriers, I suspect). Thankfully, they are in the minority. They think they got to Delta because they were better than everyone else. In reality, Delta made a mistake hiring them.

Helm

You are being let go becuase you are junior. That's it. You were senior at DL and probably never felt that pressure, and now you are on the other side of it. It sucks, but your business model is broken. So, did you have a choice to take your pension and run prior to BK? If you retired in 07 due to age 60, you could have left earlier (3 years?) and taken your lump sum pension? Why didn't you do that? Did you have to hang on to the DL job? Oh, you were one of THOSE guys..... Had you gone to Netjets 3 years earlier, you might not be in the situation you are in now. Good luck to you.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Yeah right... Keep dreaming.

Not really. Middle managers who used to fly day trips on you guys are now using us again. Only the top guys and very rich are flying fractionals now. You know I am right.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[fischman]

Not really. Middle managers who used to fly day trips on you guys are now using us again. Only the top guys and very rich are flying fractionals now. You know I am right.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Actually, I'd guess that 80% of my trips are the very people you describe. I know you are wrong.

 

[General Lee]

Yeah right... Keep dreaming.

NetJets has something Delta doesn't. Brand loyalty with the owners (or pax in your case). Delta is a commodity like bottles of water or popcorn. Your passengers fly the lowest fare. Not so with NetJets.

Loyalty? You mean like the 25 million sky miles members? We offer a product like you do, which is better than others. We may not be as "exclusive", but we also have business model that seems to be working now, and you are about to get a nice "shakedown." Sad but true.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Actually, I'd guess that 80% of my trips are the very people you describe. I know you are wrong.

What I love is that you get to start and end your trips as a passenger on an airliner. No exclusiveness for you, nope. You get TSA security, and a middle seat to top it off. Gawd that must suck. I don't even do that, I sit in the cockpit, fly to Europe and back, and then go home in ATL. Pretty nice...........

And, you are losing passengers every day. You just cancelled your Hawker order, and you are parking fleets like the Encore. But hey, maybe everything is GREAT where you are....?????


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[imacdog]

It's amazing the level of expertise that the General attains from reading two opinion articles.

 

[General Lee]

It's amazing the level of expertise that the General attains from reading two opinion articles.

Oh yeah, forget what I said then, I must have heard it all wrong. Nothing is wrong at Netjets. Heck, you are expanding and hiring...right? Oh wait, that was a couple years ago...

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[imacdog]

No, you are correct in that a furlough is coming. However, your assertions that crewmembers eating salmon crew meals being part of the problem, and the parking of the Encore fleet being indicative of losing owners every day, are simply your way of showing you really have no idea how the fractional business works. But hey, you read an article on NetJets, you must be an expert on the fractional biz, just like every other aviation segment that you read an article on. How's that Popeye's on Concourse C by the way?

 

[172driver]

What I love is that you get to start and end your trips as a passenger on an airliner. No exclusiveness for you, nope. You get TSA security, and a middle seat to top it off. Gawd that must suck. I don't even do that, I sit in the cockpit, fly to Europe and back, and then go home in ATL. Pretty nice...........

And, you are losing passengers every day. You just cancelled your Hawker order, and you are parking fleets like the Encore. But hey, maybe everything is GREAT where you are....?????


Bye Bye---General Lee

Ha ha ha!!! But you have to live in ATL or start and end your trip in a middle seat if there happens to be one available. We, on the other hand, can live in a NICE place and airline to work on duty, often in first class.