More cuts coming at Netjets????

[johnsonrod]

I don't get it. Why do you guys fuel GL's ego-filled posts? You serve entirely different markets with different products and levels of service. Just disregard him... You keep asking for more of his B.S. by responding to him. For the LOVE OF GOD just don't respond......................

Happy holidays

 

[General Lee]

I don't get it. Why do you guys fuel GL's ego-filled posts? You serve entirely different markets with different products and levels of service. Just disregard him... You keep asking for more of his B.S. by responding to him. For the LOVE OF GOD just don't respond......................

Happy holidays

Good question Johnsonrod. These guys are SOOOO EASY to whip up into a frenzy. They take everything I say like gospel and try to dispel it.

A series of articles have stated that Netjets will be under a major transformation thanks to new management, and these clowns think it won't affect them, or their CBA. It is tougher to hold on to current items when the business model has changed, heck we saw that during our BK process. They can try to say nothing will happen, but it will, and their own union people are probably trying to negate future upcoming furloughs or cutbacks right now. The once mighty Netjets has finally hit some major turbulence, and their savior who ALWAYS backed the pilots up Santulli, is now gone.

Fischman is great at trying to support that "nothing is wrong", and is trying to compare airline flying to Netjet flying. Hey, your First Aviation in TEB is Awesome, yet you yourself could never afford to fly there yourself, only the coach cabin of an airliner before and after your tours. Get your head out of the clouds---don't have the attitude of your owners. You cannot afford what they can. You drive a limo, I drive a bus. You are brought back to reality when you get back in the TSA line on your way back home, on an airliner. Your product is more expensive than mine, hence nicer FBO terminals and interior of your planes. Your work environment is shrinking, along with your customer base. You have too many planes, and a lot of your pilots sit at home during tours---maybe not during the Holidays, but prior and I bet mid Jan on will be slow. That needs to be fixed, and your CEO is on the warpath.


I think my message to you guys is simple, don't assume you are your owners, and your industry is just as vulnerable to bad times as the airline industry is. No more rolling your eyes in line to board an airliner, since you are used to walking out the FBO door into your jet. Welcome back to reality.

And as an early Xmas present, I will get off this subject now, but I may troll through over the next few days (off again) to see if there are any more ludicrous posts that just need responding. I am always up for debate, and will join in when necessary. Merry Xmas and Happy Holidays!



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[imacdog]

I don't think any pilots here are claiming we make enough money to be NetJets owners, are we General?

 

[fischman]

I don't get it. Why do you guys fuel GL's ego-filled posts? You serve entirely different markets with different products and levels of service. Just disregard him... You keep asking for more of his B.S. by responding to him. For the LOVE OF GOD just don't respond......................

Happy holidays

Because its fun. Fi.com would be boring if we all agreed on everything.

 

[fischman]

Good question Johnsonrod. These guys are SOOOO EASY to whip up into a frenzy. They take everything I say like gospel and try to dispel it.

A series of articles have stated that Netjets will be under a major transformation thanks to new management, and these clowns think it won't affect them, or their CBA. It is tougher to hold on to current items when the business model has changed, heck we saw that during our BK process. They can try to say nothing will happen, but it will, and their own union people are probably trying to negate future upcoming furloughs or cutbacks right now. The once mighty Netjets has finally hit some major turbulence, and their savior who ALWAYS backed the pilots up Santulli, is now gone.

Fischman is great at trying to support that "nothing is wrong", and is trying to compare airline flying to Netjet flying. Hey, your First Aviation in TEB is Awesome, yet you yourself could never afford to fly there yourself, only the coach cabin of an airliner before and after your tours. Get your head out of the clouds---don't have the attitude of your owners. You cannot afford what they can. You drive a limo, I drive a bus. You are brought back to reality when you get back in the TSA line on your way back home, on an airliner. Your product is more expensive than mine, hence nicer FBO terminals and interior of your planes. Your work environment is shrinking, along with your customer base. You have too many planes, and a lot of your pilots sit at home during tours---maybe not during the Holidays, but prior and I bet mid Jan on will be slow. That needs to be fixed, and your CEO is on the warpath.


I think my message to you guys is simple, don't assume you are your owners, and your industry is just as vulnerable to bad times as the airline industry is. No more rolling your eyes in line to board an airliner, since you are used to walking out the FBO door into your jet. Welcome back to reality.

And as an early Xmas present, I will get off this subject now, but I may troll through over the next few days (off again) to see if there are any more ludicrous posts that just need responding. I am always up for debate, and will join in when necessary. Merry Xmas and Happy Holidays!



Bye Bye--General Lee

Ok general. We're close to getting on the same page. I want to make 2 things absolutely clear for you that are MAJOR differences in the business you are used to.

1) The CBA will remain intact for 2 reasons 1) netjets will close the doors before going bankrupt. A judge won't have a chance to cut up the CBA. 2) if netjets came to NJASAP looking for concessions, it would be overwhelmingly voted down.

2) You are claiming the sky is falling, when it's not. Did netjets have a bad 2009? You bet. Credit is loosening and we are selling airplanes again. Things aren't as bad as you claim. Sokol is making netjets leaner, which is what the union has been screaming for years.

 

[jppt2000]

Well, we may lose some platinum medalian fliers (NJA pilots), but we will make it up with people that used to have Netjet Shares and now fly the airlines. Hey, I don't want anyone to lose their jobs, but your model is broken, and your new CEO is about to fix it. That sucks for a lot of people, but Santulli did a poor job, just like some of our past DL leaders did. Good luck with your future endevors.


Bye Bye---General Lee

More ramblings from an uninformed toolbag.
Seems like the Gen is a very envious individual.

 

[Hogprint]

Well, we may lose some platinum medalian fliers (NJA pilots), but we will make it up with people that used to have Netjet Shares and now fly the airlines-GL

Now THAT's funny. If you know anything about this business you know those folks that have shares will NEVER go back to Delta (or any other Legacy FTM) short of the trust fund going TU.

These people will sell their first born to keep a share of something.

 

[Caveman]

2) if netjets came to NJASAP looking for concessions, it would be overwhelmingly voted down.

Unfortunately history says otherwise. I'm not aware of any pilot group that did not eventually succomb when pressured by their company for concessions. You may be the exception, but I doubt it because you guys already agreed to concessions in the form of furlough mitigation. They now know you are willing to yield to protect jobs. When they come calling again you'll give some more. I don't see anything about your pilot group to suggest you'll react any differently than any other pilot group that has been in your position.

I hope I'm wrong. Good luck.

 

[CA1900]

You may be the exception, but I doubt it because you guys already agreed to concessions in the form of furlough mitigation.

The furlough mitigation offered each individual pilot the option of working fewer days for correspondingly less money. The pay per day didn't go down (quite the opposite, actually), and any pilot could opt out of it at any time.

They now know you are willing to yield to protect jobs. When they come calling again you'll give some more.

We gave them nothing. They offered unpaid leaves of absence on a recurring basis (that's how it showed up on my paycheck, in fact), and many of us took them up on the offer. That's it.

I don't see anything about your pilot group to suggest you'll react any differently than any other pilot group that has been in your position.

My view from the inside is very different. This is a pilot group with a very diverse background, comprised of people who've all been screwed by their respective companies and unions. Very few of us will ever fall for it again.

 

[Semore Butts]

Waiting in the congo line (General Lee quote)

It's "Conga line" genius, not "congo line".

General Lee;

"These guys are SOOOO EASY to whip up into a frenzy. They take everything I say like gospel and try to dispel it".

No they aren't, and no, they don't.

They think you are a mindless, materialistic, uninformed twit.

General Lee: I'll bet my wife is cuter then yours.

Maybe, but certainly much more promiscuous.

Buddy, you're a mess is what you are.

 

[fischman]

Unfortunately history says otherwise. I'm not aware of any pilot group that did not eventually succomb when pressured by their company for concessions. You may be the exception, but I doubt it because you guys already agreed to concessions in the form of furlough mitigation. They now know you are willing to yield to protect jobs. When they come calling again you'll give some more. I don't see anything about your pilot group to suggest you'll react any differently than any other pilot group that has been in your position.

I hope I'm wrong. Good luck.

Caveman,

Certainly time will tell, but our private boards tell a different story than yours. Everything I have been reading is that NJASAP is not interested, and honestly can not afford a concession. If concessions are even brought up, I will be the first on top of the perch screaming as loud as possible.

History has demonstrated over and over again that concessions do NOT save jobs.

 

[say again]

More ramblings from an uninformed toolbag.
Seems like the Gen is a very envious individual.

I know of a former NJA owner that now flies the airlines. Though he doesnt want to, its a financially smart move (in his mind). I'm sure there are many more former owners doing the same.

 

[jppt2000]

I know of a former NJA owner that now flies the airlines. Though he doesnt want to, its a financially smart move (in his mind). I'm sure there are many more former owners doing the same.

Wow,
RLMAO
What earth shattering, stunning analysis.

I'm sure there are many more former owners doing the same.

I love your fact based opinion.
These passive-aggressive (GEnLEE) posts are pretty funny to read.
No wonder there is no lasting unity amongst pilots.

 

[johnsonrod]

I know of a former NJA owner that now flies the airlines. Though he doesnt want to, its a financially smart move (in his mind). I'm sure there are many more former owners doing the same.

Maybe include Marquis Card owners in that bunch. I doubt really wealthy individuals would ever change and leave fractional ownership - but I suspect public-company owners looking to cut costs may sell off shares and increase airline flying. You never know...

Any estimates on how many Netjets owners have defected to cheaper alternatives like Avantair or Executive AirShares?

 

[jppt2000]

Maybe include Marquis Card owners in that bunch. I doubt really wealthy individuals would ever change - but public-company owners looking to cut costs may sell off shares and move more flying to the airlines. Who knows?

Any estimates on how many Netjets owners have defected to cheaper alternatives like Avantair or Executive AirShares?

1 hundred million billion.
Include some of the Madoff crowd too.

 

[Humphreybogart]

I think General Lee makes a lot of sense. NetJets is a broken machine. You people need to accept that. The 900# gorilla is now on a diet. This will be interesting.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I guess that's why the Sunday after this past Thanksgiving was the biggest single day in the HISTORY of Netjets, last week was one of the three busiest Christmas weeks in the HISTORY of Netjets and this coming week's bookings are OFF the charts busy.

 

[johnboy99]

I guess that's why the Sunday after this past Thanksgiving was the biggest single day in the HISTORY of Netjets, last week was one of the three busiest Christmas weeks in the HISTORY of Netjets and this coming week's bookings are OFF the charts busy.

You can't tell much about a book by reading a couple pages here and there. To get the whole story you must read the whole book. Ever been to the mall the Sunday after Thanksgiving or the week before Christmas. Everybody is busy this time of year. It is the other 11 months out of the year that tell the whole story.

Hope you guys get back on track soon. Good luck

 

[Jack Mehoff]

I guess it depends on how many turds start tripping over them selves to pick up extended days. Too many ME-Teamers could give the company ideas to cut further. Pilots are their own worst enemy

 

[gutshotdraw]

I guess it depends on how many turds start tripping over them selves to pick up extended days. Too many ME-Teamers could give the company ideas to cut further. Pilots are their own worst enemy

Which is why I will begin refusing overtime as of January 16.