Mesaba VS. Pinnacle

[xjcaptain]

The difference is that XJ GOT AIRFRAMES from 9e merely shrinking is not the trigger. You should not comment if you do not understand the process. If you grew with airframes shifted from 9E to XJ the legal posturing would start and frankly you would not have a choice. Plain and Simple. By the way there was little in the way of high road with a 1 for 3 year seniority integration and permanent fence from the jets.

Actually I do know some of the process as I was a part of it. Were you? First of all there needs to be a DIRECT transfer of aircraft/assets. That did not occur. NWA cut 9E's contract. 9E returned the aircraft to Saab leasing. NWA awarded the contract to XJ and XJ acquired the aircraft from Saab leasing. The aircraft did not directly go from 1 to the other. Using your theory crews would go with the aircraft anytime one airline got rid of them and another picked them up. The 1 to 3 was for Jetstream pilots it was 2 to 1 for Saab pilots. And once again you are in left field as there was no permanent fence from the jets. There was a delay alowing people who were on the XJ list prior to the 9E pilots a channce to upgrade first. Once that group had the chance the 9E pilots were free to upgrade to any equipment that XJ flies.

We'll there goes your argument, anything else you would like to comment on?

 

[n32jk]

Five characters...pulled ....

 

[n32jk]

Actually I do know some of the process as I was a part of it. Were you? First of all there needs to be a DIRECT transfer of aircraft/assets. That did not occur. NWA cut 9E's contract. 9E returned the aircraft to Saab leasing. NWA awarded the contract to XJ and XJ acquired the aircraft from Saab leasing. The aircraft did not directly go from 1 to the other. Using your theory crews would go with the aircraft anytime one airline got rid of them and another picked them up. The 1 to 3 was for Jetstream pilots it was 2 to 1 for Saab pilots. And once again you are in left field as there was no permanent fence from the jets. There was a delay alowing people who were on the XJ list prior to the 9E pilots a channce to upgrade first. Once that group had the chance the 9E pilots were free to upgrade to any equipment that XJ flies.

We'll there goes your argument, anything else you would like to comment on?

You're facts are not quite correct. I am not going to get into a fight here. Anyway the fence is correct as you stated. Permanent was not a good choice of words, just everyone on the XJ list prior to implementation was a pretty large number of people to assimilate. The implementation of frragmentation was when the J31's were taken as a whole by XJ. That like any shift of existing CRJ's constitutes fragmentation. Again agreed on by the respective MEC's.

Yes I was there...(not at xJ) all the way back when XJ had few san antonio sewer pipes.

With all this said...I do support XJ pilots in their fight .... completely....

 

[xjcaptain]

You're facts are not quite correct. I am not going to get into a fight here. Anyway the fence is correct as you stated. Permanent was not a good choice of words, just everyone on the XJ list prior to implementation was a pretty large number of people to assimilate. The implementation of frragmentation was when the J31's were taken as a whole by XJ. That like any shift of existing CRJ's constitutes fragmentation. Again agreed on by the respective MEC's.

Yes I was there...(not at xJ) all the way back when XJ had few san antonio sewer pipes.

With all this said...I do support XJ pilots in their fight .... completely....

The J31's were never taken by XJ. We have never operated J31's. Any comment on when XJ pilots were looking at going to 9E but nobody at 9E ALPA would consider it?

 

[n32jk]

The J31's were never taken by XJ. We have never operated J31's. Any comment on when XJ pilots were looking at going to 9E but nobody at 9E ALPA would consider it?

9E never took airframes from XJ....better see if any of your more senior buddies at XJ can give you a little history lesson.

 

[xjcaptain]

9E never took airframes from XJ....better see if any of your more senior buddies at XJ can give you a little history lesson.

I'm not sure I get your point. Are you saying that we got J31's from 9E? XJ has operated Be-99's, F27's, DHC-8's, SA-227's, SF340, AVRO's.....but no J31's.

 

[saabass]

I'm not sure there is one pilot at XJ that would go to 9e... even if it was offered.

 

[DoinTime]

You can argue all you want but what it all comes down to is that even the XJ MEC agreed that the contractual triggers of LOA21 paragraph G had not been met at any point during the PCL growth phase.

 

[XJWRENCH]

"I'm not sure I get your point. Are you saying that we got J31's from 9E? XJ has operated Be-99's, F27's, DHC-8's, SA-227's, SF340, AVRO's.....but no J31's."

Don't forget our 2 ... ummm I mean 1 crj-200..... umm I mean we used to..

 

[xjcaptain]

"I'm not sure I get your point. Are you saying that we got J31's from 9E? XJ has operated Be-99's, F27's, DHC-8's, SA-227's, SF340, AVRO's.....but no J31's."

Don't forget our 2 ... ummm I mean 1 crj-200..... umm I mean we used to..

You are correct, My bad, how could I have forgotton about our CRJ "Fleet"!