Looks like CAL/UAL MECs want the RJs

[nimtz]

It is interesting that CAL is signing a 10 year contract with SkyWest to fly these 50 seaters as part of their buying ExpressJet. Taking back scope is going to take 10 years at the new UAL. We all have plenty of time to beat each other up on FI.

Did you expect management to be sacred by a press release during negotiations? I don't give two sh!ts if CAL wants to keep 50 seaters around for 10 more years. Bring that on, cause oil will go back to $90/barrel before it goes to $40/barrel.

The issue lies with anything bigger then 50 and that's where things have to wind down. Yes it will take a long time, but our profession will be a lot better off for it. Sorry that inconveniences all you 35+ year old career RJ captains.

 

[Mr.B]

I don't remember the same consideration when all the 727 737 DC 10 were being parked and the 700's and E170's were showing up in droves. I lost my seat pay and was offered $19 if I wanted to continue flying!

Yep.

And, did you ever check out those "Guppy Killer" stickers in ORD? Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Hey 50-70 seat RJ drivers...your days are numbered

 

[Oakum_Boy]

More chest pounding from the apes who failed to protect the flying. This is puruHe posturing and nothing will go down like you hope it too..in fact, bring it on! I'll fly your turd 320 for hmm.. Lets say 110 an hour year 12 pay. I'd say this is how things are going to go and I am ready to do what's necessary including severely underbidding you on every piece of equip out there..

 

[dooork]

More chest pounding from the apes who failed to protect the flying. This is puruHe posturing and nothing will go down like you hope it too..in fact, bring it on! I'll fly your turd 320 for hmm.. Lets say 110 an hour year 12 pay. I'd say this is how things are going to go and I am ready to do what's necessary including severely underbidding you on every piece of equip out there..

Spoken like a true ASAhole.

 

[Jetjockey]

More chest pounding from the apes who failed to protect the flying. This is puruHe posturing and nothing will go down like you hope it too..in fact, bring it on! I'll fly your turd 320 for hmm.. Lets say 110 an hour year 12 pay. I'd say this is how things are going to go and I am ready to do what's necessary including severely underbidding you on every piece of equip out there..

Can't get hired at major bud????

 

[Oakum_Boy]

The fact remains, pilots didn't buy any RJ's, your management did with your permission and now you want them back. Many of us didn't go to the regionals for a career, just to get enough time in a 30 seat prop plane so we could. Then scope was loosened, then 9/11, then the BK's and multi-year furloughs. I didn't put my life on hold, frankly my age won't let me anymore. So one threat begets another ridiculous post to illustrate the point. Get over it. Your and my "union" failed to see the damage that would be caused to our collective careers. So, while I continue to live my life and do what I have to to pay the bills, I just wanted to follow up on all the threats from bitter mainline pilots by posting my own ridiculous post above. Lose my job or not, it won't be the end of my world, but it sounds like you would be gleeful; something none of my contemporaries I associate with really ever were.

 

[nimtz]

The fact remains, pilots didn't buy any RJ's, your management did with your permission and now you want them back. Many of us didn't go to the regionals for a career, just to get enough time in a 30 seat prop plane so we could. Then scope was loosened, then 9/11, then the BK's and multi-year furloughs. I didn't put my life on hold, frankly my age won't let me anymore. So one threat begets another ridiculous post to illustrate the point. Get over it. Your and my "union" failed to see the damage that would be caused to our collective careers. So, while I continue to live my life and do what I have to to pay the bills, I just wanted to follow up on all the threats from bitter mainline pilots by posting my own ridiculous post above. Lose my job or not, it won't be the end of my world, but it sounds like you would be gleeful; something none of my contemporaries I associate with really ever were.

Better keep lowering them standards and boosting that productivity. Nothing more worthless to bean counters then a topped out RJ captain. My heart really pings for you listing all the misfortunes of the last 10 years. You know the same ones that thousands of us have had to deal with.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Did you mean your heart pines for me? How nice. Do you have an English proficiency endorsement?

 

[nimtz]

Did you mean your heart pines for me? How nice. Do you have an English proficiency endorsement?

Tough stuff from a guy who has so mastered life. Sorry ya' didn't get laid in high school...

 

[sniper]

More chest pounding from the apes who failed to protect the flying. This is puruHe posturing and nothing will go down like you hope it too..in fact, bring it on! I'll fly your turd 320 for hmm.. Lets say 110 an hour year 12 pay. I'd say this is how things are going to go and I am ready to do what's necessary including severely underbidding you on every piece of equip out there..

Wrong thinking and I hope your management does not get this statement.

 

[WayBack]

Hey 50-70 seat RJ drivers...your days are numbered

I know, and it's a shame.....isn't it? But hey, it's managements choice to ditch the smaller regional jets and give them the bigger ones. All to fly mainline routes. Isnt that awesome?!
Those regional ALPA dudes will be taking mainline ALPA dudes flying, dude! Even more than they're flying now, dude!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Mainline is the Landlord, Regionals are renters. When you realize that, you will understand why the regionals are not a career, it is a job. Leases expire, things change, the Landlord is healthy again!

Yogi

You are exactly right, 'cept the landlord doesn't want to sell/lease, renting gives them the control that they crave, the ability to evict the tenants(regionals and their pilots) as soon as the legally want/can. If you think they will willingly cede this control, good luck.
PBR

 

[General Lee]

The only way that the flying goes back to CAL/UAL is if the cost of doing it is below that of the outsourcing. To do that the rates would probably have to be well below what the regionals are doing it for because of the other benefits that CAL/UAL have. Not only that, but CAL/UAL won't finance any new aircraft for their regionals, so there would have to be a cost assigned to that, as well as all those training costs. I think it can be done, but it will be at a great expense to the pilot contract.

Thanks to stagnation at the regionals, regional pilot pay has increased over the years, and many of the Captains are making ok money at the top of the regionals. So, if the mainline pilots stick with those current wages, it shouldn't cost anymore, right? You don't have to start over at $40 an hour for Captain rates. Start the 70 seat Capt rates at $80 an hour (what they are currently at most regionals flying 70 or 76 seaters), and furloughed pilots will flock back to those planes. At the same time, the Legacies could then monitor the training programs and keep them in check, which has also turned into a litigation issue thanks to the Colgan crash. It will be more expensive for legacies to have to pay for another couple crashes at the Regionals if proposed legislation is enacted and they are allowed to be sued also along with the Regional itself.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You are exactly right, 'cept the landlord doesn't want to sell/lease, renting gives them the control that they crave, the ability to evict the tenants(regionals and their pilots) as soon as the legally want/can. If you think they will willingly cede this control, good luck.
PBR

Willingly? Do you really think the CAL/UAL management has a choice right now? They are in the corner, if they want their huge merger bonuses. Wall St wants a CLEAN and SMOOTH merger, and they run the show, not Airline Management. They are told what to do by the Hedge funds. The union finally has some leverage, and thanks to the Colgan crash they also have some ammo on the legislative side, which has thrown a bunch of landmines too. If there was ever a good time for MECs to come together and push for taking some of the flying back, the time is NOW. And, I can see why you are nervous about that. I am sure all of the Mike Boyd comments don't help either, since he is mirroring what the public is saying too. Even RA at DL stated on his last phone message(supposedly ) to the troops that he is making the push to continue to get rid of RJs. Hey, you know like I know that the rise of the RJ was just too quick.....



Bye Bye--General Lee