waveflyer
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Dan,
That alpa history goes back to the California shuttle battles and UAL acting like a bunch of cockmonkeys including denying jump seats and lecturing pilots. Admittedly before my SWA tenure- but don't pretend it didn't happen-
Our response has been to kill them with kindness- we compete but we have a long standing tradition of treating all offline carriers better than their own companies.
(An aside: Who began the now industry standard of unlimited cabin jumpseating?)
Think you're on an "island" bc I heard it in the early 00's when I was a legacy pilot and that battle was still fresh- and the only reason it's not prevalent today is bc we've been carrying the best contract for a while now
My grudge against alpa is for two reasons- outsourcing and the misrepresentation of domestic pilots within their own ranks- often within individual MECs- they set up a career where we are constantly chasing the carrot- which leads to my second reason- malcontent pilots are active pilots.
Alpa fosters malcontent bc they believe it to make a stronger union.
I served and I've heard it time and again from organizers
And the irony is it may be true - partially - but at a soul killing cost
None of which is the point Dan. It's not an alpa bash- it's that merging alpa carriers hasn't been a good thing so why would you choose ALL legacies over SWA.
It's what sound reason could you give to want a legacy to purchase you?
Asked and answered with delta, and I have granted that. They have far and away done the best job with Nw. But AA/usair? UAL/CO?
Why on earth would those two be preferred?
Doesn't make sense unless you're a SWA hater
Everyone else has international markets and less domestic feed capability. And more complex politics.
I actually don't take a Hawaiian merger off the table. It looks unlikely today- but I view Hawaiian today as likely a candidate as JetBlue and as likely as I viewed air tran when I was hired. I think it would fit nicely with our goal of "world's most loved airline" as long as we don't paint your airplanes and keep Hawaiian as it is as much as possible.
I don't bet on it, but I wouldn't be shocked either.
That alpa history goes back to the California shuttle battles and UAL acting like a bunch of cockmonkeys including denying jump seats and lecturing pilots. Admittedly before my SWA tenure- but don't pretend it didn't happen-
Our response has been to kill them with kindness- we compete but we have a long standing tradition of treating all offline carriers better than their own companies.
(An aside: Who began the now industry standard of unlimited cabin jumpseating?)
Think you're on an "island" bc I heard it in the early 00's when I was a legacy pilot and that battle was still fresh- and the only reason it's not prevalent today is bc we've been carrying the best contract for a while now
My grudge against alpa is for two reasons- outsourcing and the misrepresentation of domestic pilots within their own ranks- often within individual MECs- they set up a career where we are constantly chasing the carrot- which leads to my second reason- malcontent pilots are active pilots.
Alpa fosters malcontent bc they believe it to make a stronger union.
I served and I've heard it time and again from organizers
And the irony is it may be true - partially - but at a soul killing cost
None of which is the point Dan. It's not an alpa bash- it's that merging alpa carriers hasn't been a good thing so why would you choose ALL legacies over SWA.
It's what sound reason could you give to want a legacy to purchase you?
Asked and answered with delta, and I have granted that. They have far and away done the best job with Nw. But AA/usair? UAL/CO?
Why on earth would those two be preferred?
Doesn't make sense unless you're a SWA hater
Everyone else has international markets and less domestic feed capability. And more complex politics.
I actually don't take a Hawaiian merger off the table. It looks unlikely today- but I view Hawaiian today as likely a candidate as JetBlue and as likely as I viewed air tran when I was hired. I think it would fit nicely with our goal of "world's most loved airline" as long as we don't paint your airplanes and keep Hawaiian as it is as much as possible.
I don't bet on it, but I wouldn't be shocked either.
