Link to ExpressJet TA

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An employee of the Company, its major partners, or third party
station personnel may contact a pilot with a message from the
Company. Such a pilot will respond to the company within a
reasonable time.


This excrement is shameful. Thanks for sticking up for the professionals who keep this operation going. So some backwards-hat-wearing high school dropout has power over your professional and personal life. And what does "third party station personnel" mean, the wheelchair pushers included?

Can you imagine the fallout from this? It's going to be a poop show should this information get out to the contract station employees....and you can bet it'll be a MAJOR part of their "training".
 
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Attention you Clowns:

This was put out to vote because a resounding NO vote from the pilot group is much more effective than Mank and Woodsy the Owl saying no.
 

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The union has the information, why aren't they making a peep? Kind of thinking they are letting this thing grow legs. No vote from my perspective.
The JNCB group has their feet up on the desk, smoking a cigar with their SKYW Inc. management group negotiating partners. They are betting that this initial furor will subside and blow over. They think the pilot groups are a bunch of know nothing pussies. That's why they never communicate with us. They see themselves as knowing better. They have been hanging out with management regularly for the past 3 years. They think we are stupid and that we will fall for anything they put forward. They may have miscalculated.
 

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Let your voices be heard LOUDLY at the road shows. Don't ask questions about the TA, just express disappointment at the CNC and mec.
 

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Attention you Clowns:

This was put out to vote because a resounding NO vote from the pilot group is much more effective than Mank and Woodsy the Owl saying no.
Im in agreement here, Fortaw is a wise man, and it's my current belief that he knows our group will stand up to this garbage.

The test will be to listen to how the CNC presents the contract on road shows.

No for me, 12yrs ASA
 

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They can't tell us to vote no by law.... Bit should be easy to read between the lines... If they want to show their faces in the crew room, I sure hope this is the strategy.
 

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only reason they kept rigs on naps is they added an extra CDO. .instead of a MAX 3 consecutive CDO's, this turd TA allows the company to now schedule 4 consecutive CDO's. So much for all that work on the NASA sleep study or whatever it was about the max being 3. Great job negotiating committee

13+ years- ... voting no with zero hesitation...
The only reason is because Ed "The Head" Fortaw flies naps
 

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Wow! They made this easy...
BIG FAT NO!!
10yr ASA
 

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Anyone catch this little gem.....
A pilot on a layover who is away from his hotel for an extended period of time will check for messages periodically or arrange an alternate method of contact.

Contact on an overnight.... Negative
 

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Let your voices be heard LOUDLY at the road shows. Don't ask questions about the TA, just express disappointment at the CNC and mec.
Why wouldn't you want to ask questions? I have plenty of questions. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to here why they did what they did.
 

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Im in agreement here, Fortaw is a wise man, and it's my current belief that he knows our group will stand up to this garbage.

The test will be to listen to how the CNC presents the contract on road shows.

No for me, 12yrs ASA
I asked Ed about this. He thinks this is the best we can get now. He doesn't think the company is bluffing on their threats. Give him a call.
 

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Yes vote here after talking to my reps. Don't like it, but voting yes. The alternative will be worse.
 

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Anyone catch this little gem.....
A pilot on a layover who is away from his hotel for an extended period of time will check for messages periodically or arrange an alternate method of contact.

Contact on an overnight.... Negative

Bingo. Another gem so dim, it's worth a NO vote alone.
 

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Yes vote here after talking to my reps. Don't like it, but voting yes. The alternative will be worse.
Of course "Ed" has to say that. Like he can tell you what he really thinks. Don't be dense. This isn't that great of a job anyway.
 

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Why wouldn't you want to ask questions? I have plenty of questions. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to here why they did what they did.
That's all I want to hear, is why they did what they did. As far as the TA, I don't care, I'm voting no. The so-called reps can share the company's doom and gloom all they want, it's all meaningless when most pilots are planning on leaving anyway.

My question to you is why are you willing to give into fear-mongering and go backwards in your career? Stability at a company that is inevitably going to shrink no matter how the vote goes?

Much of the TA isn't even financial, but control for control's sake, such as station contractors making notification and giving additional contact info on overnights in addition to all the controls they force on us now.
 
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I asked Ed about this. He thinks this is the best we can get now. He doesn't think the company is bluffing on their threats. Give him a call.
They're not threats, they're reality. This company is going to shrink due to economic factors anyway. They're just using that as negotiating capital along the way.
 

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Of course "Ed" has to say that. Like he can tell you what he really thinks. Don't be dense. This isn't that great of a job anyway.
I'm sorry, but I think I have a great job. You've been here almost as long as me. Why have you stayed so long if this isn't a great job?
 
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