Link to ExpressJet TA

[Oakum_Boy]

An employee of the Company, its major partners, or third party
station personnel may contact a pilot with a message from the
Company. Such a pilot will respond to the company within a
reasonable time.

This excrement is shameful. Thanks for sticking up for the professionals who keep this operation going. So some backwards-hat-wearing high school dropout has power over your professional and personal life. And what does "third party station personnel" mean, the wheelchair pushers included?

Can you imagine the fallout from this? It's going to be a poop show should this information get out to the contract station employees....and you can bet it'll be a MAJOR part of their "training".

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Attention you Clowns:

This was put out to vote because a resounding NO vote from the pilot group is much more effective than Mank and Woodsy the Owl saying no.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

The union has the information, why aren't they making a peep? Kind of thinking they are letting this thing grow legs. No vote from my perspective.

The JNCB group has their feet up on the desk, smoking a cigar with their SKYW Inc. management group negotiating partners. They are betting that this initial furor will subside and blow over. They think the pilot groups are a bunch of know nothing pussies. That's why they never communicate with us. They see themselves as knowing better. They have been hanging out with management regularly for the past 3 years. They think we are stupid and that we will fall for anything they put forward. They may have miscalculated.

 

[wms]

Let your voices be heard LOUDLY at the road shows. Don't ask questions about the TA, just express disappointment at the CNC and mec.

 

[Medeco]

Attention you Clowns:

This was put out to vote because a resounding NO vote from the pilot group is much more effective than Mank and Woodsy the Owl saying no.

Im in agreement here, Fortaw is a wise man, and it's my current belief that he knows our group will stand up to this garbage.

The test will be to listen to how the CNC presents the contract on road shows.

No for me, 12yrs ASA

 

[waterskier]

They can't tell us to vote no by law.... Bit should be easy to read between the lines... If they want to show their faces in the crew room, I sure hope this is the strategy.

 

[Clutch]

only reason they kept rigs on naps is they added an extra CDO. .instead of a MAX 3 consecutive CDO's, this turd TA allows the company to now schedule 4 consecutive CDO's. So much for all that work on the NASA sleep study or whatever it was about the max being 3. Great job negotiating committee

13+ years- ... voting no with zero hesitation...

The only reason is because Ed "The Head" Fortaw flies naps

 

[Freebrd]

Let's see if each pilot group puts its vote where its mouth is. .

THIS! All those we trashed about w/ concessionary contracts are watching!

NO! :angryfire

 

[Gulf-front]

Wow! They made this easy...
BIG FAT NO!!
10yr ASA

 

[damnflyboy]

TOTALLY worth my union dues. Can I have a refund?

 

[bigshooter107]

Anyone catch this little gem.....
A pilot on a layover who is away from his hotel for an extended period of time will check for messages periodically or arrange an alternate method of contact.

Contact on an overnight.... Negative

 

[ASADriver]

Let your voices be heard LOUDLY at the road shows. Don't ask questions about the TA, just express disappointment at the CNC and mec.

Why wouldn't you want to ask questions? I have plenty of questions. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to here why they did what they did.

 

[ASADriver]

Im in agreement here, Fortaw is a wise man, and it's my current belief that he knows our group will stand up to this garbage.

The test will be to listen to how the CNC presents the contract on road shows.

No for me, 12yrs ASA

I asked Ed about this. He thinks this is the best we can get now. He doesn't think the company is bluffing on their threats. Give him a call.

 

[ASADriver]

Yes vote here after talking to my reps. Don't like it, but voting yes. The alternative will be worse.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Anyone catch this little gem.....
A pilot on a layover who is away from his hotel for an extended period of time will check for messages periodically or arrange an alternate method of contact.

Contact on an overnight.... Negative

Bingo. Another gem so dim, it's worth a NO vote alone.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Yes vote here after talking to my reps. Don't like it, but voting yes. The alternative will be worse.

Of course "Ed" has to say that. Like he can tell you what he really thinks. Don't be dense. This isn't that great of a job anyway.

 

[wms]

Why wouldn't you want to ask questions? I have plenty of questions. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to here why they did what they did.

That's all I want to hear, is why they did what they did. As far as the TA, I don't care, I'm voting no. The so-called reps can share the company's doom and gloom all they want, it's all meaningless when most pilots are planning on leaving anyway.

My question to you is why are you willing to give into fear-mongering and go backwards in your career? Stability at a company that is inevitably going to shrink no matter how the vote goes?

Much of the TA isn't even financial, but control for control's sake, such as station contractors making notification and giving additional contact info on overnights in addition to all the controls they force on us now.

 

[wms]

I asked Ed about this. He thinks this is the best we can get now. He doesn't think the company is bluffing on their threats. Give him a call.

They're not threats, they're reality. This company is going to shrink due to economic factors anyway. They're just using that as negotiating capital along the way.

 

[ASADriver]

Of course "Ed" has to say that. Like he can tell you what he really thinks. Don't be dense. This isn't that great of a job anyway.

I'm sorry, but I think I have a great job. You've been here almost as long as me. Why have you stayed so long if this isn't a great job?

 

[ace6453]

Yes vote here after talking to my reps. Don't like it, but voting yes. The alternative will be worse.

So what did they tell you to make you vote yes?

 

[ASADriver]

My question to you is why are you willing to give into fear-mongering and go backwards in your career? Stability at a company that is inevitably going to shrink no matter how the vote goes?

I'm not going backwards in my career. I don't like this TA, but overall I think it is acceptable given what I see around me. ALPA has failed all of us. Compared to the other TAs recently, this is moving forward. Don't like it, but it was it is.

 

[ASADriver]

So what did they tell you to make you vote yes?

That given the recent agreements signed by other ALPA carriers this is as good as a contract gets. Without a JCBA, they are of the firm belief that the winddown will begin. They don't like it, but they believe it is what will happen. I know many of these guys, and I respect their opinion.

 

[bigshooter107]

Yes vote here after talking to my reps. Don't like it, but voting yes. The alternative will be worse.

Why?.... What's the alternative?

 

[wrightbros]

I'm just so glad the here on the LXJT side we get a 75 hour MMG with vacation trip drops and the ASA side gets a 65 hour MMG, we keep our retirement over 3 years ASA doesn't drag us down even more by getting it and our Ins costs won't be as much! Yeah ...that was suppose to be a joke but yeah we get slowly phased out ASA gets nothin! Bring on the threats Co and union!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Why have you stayed so long if this isn't a great job?

Fair question. My answer is that is an "acceptable" job. Not great, and certainly not with the regressive TA they have presented.

Do you really want to be subject to being notified by a ramper about your being extended?

Having to check your messages and providing contact information on your layover?

Having your vacation "postponed" with 15 days notice?

Not given one iota of a raise on the 700 for the next 5+ years?

Being required to furnish a sick note?

Being paid only during aircraft movement? (Yes, this is the plan)

I haven't even begun to dig into the scheduling section.

It's a horrible agreement, and I firmly believe the plan to shrink the airline will happen one way or another. I'm still young enough to have 20+ years at a major or whomever will have me that has a better CBA. I have a degree and plenty of flight time. I stayed because I felt I was treated fairly and I enjoy my seniority. This agreement proves to me they will be changing that. Significantly.

 

[wms]

fair question. My answer is that is an "acceptable" job. Not great, and certainly not with the regressive ta they have presented.

Do you really want to be subject to being notified by a ramper about your being extended?

Having to check your messages and providing contact information on your layover?

Having your vacation "postponed" with 15 days notice?

Not given one iota of a raise on the 700 for the next 5+ years?

Being required to furnish a sick note?

Being paid only during aircraft movement? (yes, this is the plan)

i haven't even begun to dig into the scheduling section.

It's a horrible agreement, and i firmly believe the plan to shrink the airline will happen one way or another. I'm still young enough to have 20+ years at a major or whomever will have me that has a better cba. I have a degree and plenty of flight time. I stayed because i felt i was treated fairly and i enjoy my seniority. This agreement proves to me they will be changing that. Significantly.

..+1..

 

[ace6453]

After reading the unions bullet points it is even worse than thought.

"It should be noted that the vacation section was negotiated prior to the terms of the Endeavor (formerly Pinnacle) agreement, and the scope agreements at Delta and United. This section is one of the best representations of merging language from the two properties. The Company did not seek any concessions in this section and accepted most of the language developed through our internal JNC negotiations."

So the union decided to F the ASA pilots and reduce vacation low to a 65 hour MMG and then limit usage. All the while the XJT guys keep their vacation status quo??? WTF is going on over there?

I also like if you set your PCT below 75 and your line is below 75 your MMG is reduced. WTF??? After reading the bullet points it seems the company convinced the union to reduce or eliminate all the good things with our PBS. If this passes, PBS will start to suck balls. The window moves to 15 or 20 hours instead of 30. This is complete shyt.

 

[Freebrd]

Raises every 1 1/2 years, small ones at that. Hats? We have to wear fuc@&$g hats now because DAL does?

NO!

 

[Medeco]

Remember when Skywest and Jerry promised to transfer the 700's soon after they purchased us? They did, 2, I think, and then they decided it was a lot more expensive to do than they thought and made excuses otherwise until they answered q's with the analyst and the truth came out.

Like others have stated, plenty of non monetary concessions that are simply not needed other than control to treat us like high school kids asking for a pass to go to the bathroom.

No!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Like others have stated, plenty of non monetary concessions that are simply not needed other than control to treat us like high school kids asking for a pass to go to the bathroom.

No!

THIS!

I feel like I'm being asked to put myself in the penitentiary to be violated by some knuckle-dragging G.O. goon.