Link to ExpressJet TA

[SoberIrishman]

A lot better than Bendover, Blowjets, or Brownstreak however. This ASA pilot will be voting yes.
There, I said it.

 

[wrightbros]

Did you see ALPA put a date of signing of Feb 1, 2014 on the TA? I guess they assume the same threats management gave them can be passed along to us
! I heard the road show saying will be "SkyWest has a plan if we vote NO!"

 

[JustaNumber]

A lot better than Bendover, Blowjets, or Brownstreak however. This ASA pilot will be voting yes.
There, I said it.

The ASA side will vote no by a HUGE margin. This contract is concessionary, and our pilots are not the low-self-esteem-couldn't-get-hired-anywhere-else bottom feeder pilots that populate those other groups.

This thing is such an insult (especially towards the reserves) that I also predict a huge drop in overall current morale, and you can kiss those performance plus bonuses goodbye. This TA sends a huge "No thanks for all you do!" to the pilot group; there will be huge unintended consequences.

 

[Dannone]

Question is what is the motivation to vote this in? Job security? They will do what they please with the airplanes with a contract or without!! There has been absolutely no leadership from management as to the direction of the company. Fact is this TA is probably a little bit of an improvement for ASA side. Is it enough to justify completely selling out the Xjt side? No!!! There is not one thing motivating us to sign now right before our leverage goes up exponentially!! I say stick together and delay the contract until things hit the fan. One more thing I see nothing in the agreement which addresses the way the pairings and lines are created. Same ol we recognize the need to build blah blah blah. If that was addressed maybe I would think twice as quality of life is my main concern. No vote from this ASA guy.

 

[enuffalready]

. Fact is this TA is probably a little bit of an improvement for ASA side. Is it enough to justify completely selling out the Xjt side? No!!!

ASA guy here... this thing is FAR FAR FAR from improvement. Flaming stinking steaming turd. I laugh at the extra week of vacation... what does the company care, they aren't paying you for it anyway with the 65 MMG. total joke. I truly honestly don't care if they transfer every plane to Skywest, Silver or Blowgo..... this is a firm NO.

frankly there must be something I missing here as i honestly don't see how they agree to this with a straight face.

 

[IFLYASA]

This is a big concession for the LXJT side. I would say the same for LASA. Vacation low is now at 65 credit hours. Given the extra 1 week vacation that's now 40 hours a year less pay. That about $3700 of lost pay. With no raise till 2015, and if we get too many 700/900's, those guys don't get a raise!! WTF??

SKywest will do what they want regardless. Don't listen to the threats. It's all smoke and mirrors. This turd will be flushed like Palmer's toupee after a typhoon.

 

[enuffalready]

ASA side gets hosed on out times. Not until aircraft movement. The erj side is door closure like Asa was before. Why the difference?

this is typical... management negotiates an agreement with United that if the plane doesn't move within a certain period after brake release we pay a penalty. Rather than correct that agreement because planes block out and sit there.... they try to squeeze it in the new language on what block out time really is. and simultaneously reduce our pay...total scam . Hey Brad and CT. F no! and by the way GFY

Funny thing is I don't blame them for asking. I blame our retards for agreeing to it!

 

[IFLYASA]

Was the charter section the same language from the LXJT side? That was interesting. Executive type interior, 90 hours at an $18 per hour override.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

This TA sends a huge "No thanks for all you do!" to the pilot group; there will be huge unintended consequences.

The entire tone and content of the TA is at best, an insult to the pilots. The only group keeping this steamer afloat right now. They have obviously lost any respect that may have existed.

PSA, PCL, EGL pilots set the bar so low, you can feel the disdain and mockery in the TA. Thanks, guys.


NO

 

[waterskier]

Wow, I got a raise...current pay rate =$84.97/Hr..... New pay rate $84.98/hr.
$.01/hr. WTF!!!! they can't actually think that we will pass this POS....
I don't care how they sell the QOL increases, or job security.....I have seen all I need to see, This ASA guy is a definite NO Vote!!!
Thanks alpa for wasting my dues, and my time-
Can't get out of here fast enough.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

This TA is Dead On Arrival

 

[enuffalready]

Wow, I got a raise...current pay rate =$84.97/Hr..... New pay rate $84.98/hr.
$.01/hr. WTF!!!! they can't actually think that we will pass this POS....
I don't care how they sell the QOL increases, or job security.....I have seen all I need to see, This ASA guy is a definite NO Vote!!!
Thanks alpa for wasting my dues, and my time-
Can't get out of here fast enough.

what QOL increases? No raise on 50. LXJT keeps Bfund and LASA gets D!K. 65 hour MMG for vaca, company can now schedule 4 straight CDO's instead of 3.. laughable at best.

 

[DHPFLYN]

Was the charter section the same language from the LXJT side? That was interesting. Executive type interior, 90 hours at an $18 per hour override.

yep.......

 

[ohplease!]

A lot better than Bendover, Blowjets, or Brownstreak however. This ASA pilot will be voting yes.
There, I said it.

Well, THIS 15yr. LASA "lifer" is an emphatic NO! I'll help burn it down first. This entire TA is crap and our MEC should be removed immediately.

At some point, someone has to say NO....the line starts here.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

The MEC idiots need to prepare an easy to read (list type) document that clearly describes the gains and losses for each pilot group in each section of the contract. That document should have already been created and distributed by this point. They had 3 years to compile this type of document along the way. They may be working on it now, but they are probably just eating candy bars and getting ready for their 4 hour lunch on the ALPA credit card.

 

[waterskier]

This is about what I expected from the Co.
What I don't understand is what the MECs were thinking....?
Only theory I can see, is that if they voted no, then we would never get to see it, by letting us see it, it gets everyone mad and on the same side.... & a NO vote from the pilots carries a lot more weight than MEC NO Vote....
How cool would it be if it got a 98% NO Vote!!!! That would be a great message to the Co!!

 

[wms]

Most of the LASA pilots who said they would vote yes before, thought there would be at least minor improvements in pay offset with good qol. The only ones who will vote yes now are lifers who fear retaliation from the company and think their career at xjt will be threatened if they rock the boat.

Most of us, even a majority who planned to stay in the past, are applying elsewhere and don't care what happens to xjt since they don't want to be here anyway.

JB and soberirishman and others who will start coming on here to influence a yes vote so the company survives, should know that most of us, even 10+ year pilots, don't care if the company survives or not. Most only hope it survives as long as they're here.

I'm not a burn it down type of person, and I think this is a good company that fills an important role in the industry. But I hope to move on and would rather see this place disappear, before or after I leave, than degrade myself to accept the conditions they are presenting to us.

It's true you are worth what you negotiate, but negotiations aren't done until the yes vote is complete. A no vote is part of the process as well as the tactics the company will use in return. So let's keep negotiations open by voting no and forcing the negotiators back to the table.

We are going to lose airplanes no matter what. Mainline is shifting capacity upward where it belongs, regionals won't be able to staff making it necessary to shrink the fleet, and pilots who want to stay will be able to at a much smaller, maybe better run company. Meanwhile, we'll have preserved the company and improved qol and pay for those who have stayed.

If you're anything but very senior and think you have a future here you're wrong. The company will shrink as a result of market forces and if not enough pilots leave voluntarily, the bottom will be furloughed. Once again, a yes vote would not change that.

There is no conceivable, justifiable reason to vote yes unless you're super-senior with no where else to go.

NO

 

[goahead]

14 yr asa guy here voting nope, keep your change

 

[Lc130driver]

a 14.5 XJT guy voting NO!! So don't think the lifers are an automatic yes vote.

 

[genus]

Anybody notice that the duty rigs are gone for anything other than CDOs? Or am I reading that wrong? Can't wait to do a scheduled 14 hour duty day only to get paid for short round trip to some place like AGS or CSG out of the ATL! And min. day credit has been lowered slightly from current LASA book. A big fat NO! from me!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Duty rigs? Bwahaaha!

For those of you on the 700/900, or EMB-175, MRJ, etc. you are pay frozen except for the annual longevity steps.

You will probably never see 'Raise #1, 2 or 3'. The 200 guys get a sweet contract anniversary step every 18 months, however.

WTFO.

 

[Freebrd]

NO! :angryfire

 

[asa rat]

NO here also. I still have my tools from my last job.

 

[COOPERVANE]

This TA is SO bad I wonder if this is all part of the plan.

It's a win-win for the company. If we vote this POS in, then they have a lower cost structure until this place goes away. Upper mgmt will be absorbed into Skywest with a atta boy pat on the back. If we send this turd back, then they can cry "we tried" and wind us down anyway while blaming "those greedy overpaid pilots"

I'm ready to shut this place down even though I have no back up plan. Just to watch it burn to the ground and displace all those lazy inept people in the GO (exempt maintenance).

What I would REALLY like to see would be 1000 of us handing in our two week notice in protest in the next few weeks. I would do it if there were some way to ensure 999 others did it too.

Or maybe like last time, it will take a phone call from Ma Delta asking these mgmt tards "what the hell are u guys doing over there.....we are losing our asses.....get your house in order!!!!"

 

[Nevets]

Was the charter section the same language from the LXJT side? That was interesting. Executive type interior, 90 hours at an $18 per hour override.

Our current charter language didn't differentiate between interior. If it was a charter NOT affiliated with the mainline partner, then they paid the override.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

14 year (ASA), not just NO but H@LL NOOOO!!!

 

[enuffalready]

Anybody notice that the duty rigs are gone for anything other than CDOs? Or am I reading that wrong?!

only reason they kept rigs on naps is they added an extra CDO. .instead of a MAX 3 consecutive CDO's, this turd TA allows the company to now schedule 4 consecutive CDO's. So much for all that work on the NASA sleep study or whatever it was about the max being 3. Great job negotiating committee

13+ years- ... voting no with zero hesitation...

 

[Plainsman]

The union has the information, why aren't they making a peep? Kind of thinking they are letting this thing grow legs. No vote from my perspective.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Let's see if each pilot group puts its vote where its mouth is. The best of both current contracts should have been the minimal standard for crafting this TA. This TA does not come close. I don't know what the hell the JNCB has been doing for the last three years. In essence, they worked long and hard at agreeing to forfeit current book. What a waste of time. I wonder if they got scared like a bunch of Nancy Boys. Vote No and keep what you have, or vote yes and forfeit what you currently have. That's an easy decision. As far as losing airplanes, they will move planes where they want them regardless of this TA. Don't be a sucker.

 

[goahead]

only reason they kept rigs on naps is they added an extra CDO. .instead of a MAX 3 consecutive CDO's, this turd TA allows the company to now schedule 4 consecutive CDO's. So much for all that work on the NASA sleep study or whatever it was about the max being 3. Great job negotiating committee

13+ years- ... voting no with zero hesitation...

Prob cuz ELF was on the negotiating committee and that's all he does, now those guys can do four in a row and eliminate one week of working each month.