Legacy Bashfest - Bring it on!

[JetPilot500]

Heh - calling Falcon Capt "ignorant" and an "idiot" isn't going to do you any favors, Mr. Legacy.

Sure it will...I do it all the time!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

You are an idiot.

The average Corporate Jet leg (according to at least SOME surveys any way--I am sure GV has a different set of them) is 1200-1500 NM. So, we'll double that for the G-String and add some. The Legacy does the same thing. You know, most US Corporate jets do the bulk of their flying here in the States, Canada, and Mexico. The Legacy will do all of them just fine.

And if one wants to go to Tokyo from LA like my boss does from time to time, he goes FIRST CLASS on a 747. It's cheaper than a G-V can ever be...

Get a grip.

Oh, and one thing more, short duration, multi-cycle trips like the Regionals do are far more dangerous than going non-stop from SF to Tokyo. Most accidents occur during the takeoff and landing phases, not cruise. Thus, the Legacy/RJ's safety record is only that much more impressive. They are operating in the most dangerous environments and doing so perfectly thus far.

Most bizjets operate in the states?? For One, my company flies 4000-5000 hrs/yr....75% International - and no, regional boy, Mexico and the Carribean ARE NOT International...

you now lost all credibility and have proven yourself to be just what we all thought you might be....

a commuter aircraft pilot.

 

[JetPilot500]

Legacy Driver,
When ever I read your posts, I am reminded of this:

Don't think twice, for it is the patients of people such as ourselves (on this board), that allows us to tolerate a person such as yourself.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Thanks for playing. I think the Legacy can go PANC-ZBAA just fine.

At any rate, why spend $36M plus $2000/hour to go there in a G-IV when:
1) a fractional share...
2) a first class jumbo jet ride...
or 3) a fuel stop in a Legacy costs much *much* less?

Do you know where ZBAA is?

Fuel stops and saving money?? ...HELLO!!!....airline boy....HELLO!!!...

do you realize how short your career in the corporate world would be if you told you boss it would cheaper to make 4 fuel stops in Russia on the way to China then to waste all that money on a Gulfstream!!

stick to the Embryo flying, Ace..its all you can handle at this point.

.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Most bizjets operate in the states?? For One, my company flies 4000-5000 hrs/yr....75% International - and no, regional boy, Mexico and the Carribean ARE NOT International...

you now lost all credibility and have proven yourself to be just what we all thought you might be....

a commuter aircraft pilot.

So you are telling me:

1) MOST business jets, particularly N-Registered corporate planes operate internationally mostly/exclusively? HAHAHA! That's hysterical.

2) Mexico is not International? HAHAHAH! When did it become the 51st state?

Talk about credibility.

 

[bigD]

Sure it will...I do it all the time!

LMAO! You're gonna get it for that one!

 

[banned username 2]

The only person ignorant here is you.

As previously stated, I took a Legacy for 9 hours just to see if it could be done. We had enough gas to tool around longer if we wanted.

9 hours at Mach 0.68 doesn't get your very far... Max endurance can hold you in the air, but you aren't covering much ground...

You can only polish a turd so much... You wore the shine off this one a LONG time ago, now it is really smelling bad... real bad...

As for pulling asses out of the fire, Skull-One's termination...it was overturned and he was paid 11 months back pay. That's the way arbitration works.

What are you talking about, YOU ARE SKULL-ONE... Confirmed...

 

[banned username 2]

I have been to Mexico and Russia among others and have yet to see a $10,000 handling fee.

Try Osaka in the middle of the night, or Chitose... Mexico... LOL!!!!! Obviously you don't fly International... Like Gulfstream200 said, anyone who flies a lot of International doesn't consider Mexico, Canada or the Carribbean as an "International Destination"...

WSofD!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

The infamous Embryo or RJ resume that crosses the fax with "International Experience"

to Mexico and the Carribbean.

.......

 

[JetBlast2000]

FalconCapt,
Do you think your being a little hard on the Legacy? Like I said before it does not match the G IV in a lot of categories, but it does come close. Or, is there so much animosity with LegacyDriver that objectivity has gone out the window? Just curious…

BTW I understand the Embryo, ahh Embraer will have a corporate version of the E-145. I don’t have any numbers, but I understand it’s coming...

 

[JetBlast2000]

Or maybe I misunderstood the thread… and its really LegacyDRIVER bashfest….?

 

[JetPilot500]

I guess you can fly INTERNATIONAL in a WSCoD.....

http://www.avcrew.com/jobs/pilots/jobs.htm#0103

Legacy Captain (China) 1/03

Macau-based (China) flight department is seeking a EMB-145BJ (Legacy) Captain to operate worldwide. Ideal candidate will have an FAA ATP, First Class medical certificate, EMB-145 type rating, 5000 hours total time, 100 hours in type, extensive corporate and international experience, and a willingness to relocate overseas. We offer an attractive compensation package and the opportunity to work with other high-caliber professionals in one of Asia's top flight departments. If you meet the above qualifications and would like to join our team of professionals, please email your complete resume to [email protected]. Don't forget to mention AvCrew.com when applying.

 

[JetPilot500]

The average Corporate Jet leg (according to at least SOME surveys any way--I am sure GV has a different set of them) is 1200-1500 NM. So, we'll double that for the G-String and add some. The Legacy does the same thing. You know, most US Corporate jets do the bulk of their flying here in the States, Canada, and Mexico. The Legacy will do all of them just fine.

Last time I looked at our Falcon 900EX numbers, I think our average leg is like 2.3 hours. However, we use the aircraft to go to Asia, Europe, South America and South Africa MANY times per year. So you could say that our average leg is 1,000 miles. But we also need an airplane that can do 4000+ miles on a regular basis.

And if one wants to go to Tokyo from LA like my boss does from time to time, he goes FIRST CLASS on a 747. It's cheaper than a G-V can ever be....

Yes, but they why do you have a corporate aircraft? Another thing to consider is this. You may need to make other stops in the region you are in. We don't usually go to Bejing and then back to the US. Many times, we go to Beijing, then to Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong, Tokyo and Seoul. Just try and fly the airlines. I suppose if you don't mind sitting next to a crate of chickens on China Eastern Airlines, then it's not so bad. Plus, even if you did do it on the airlines, you might not like your schedule options, forcing you to spend several more days in Asia than you need.

In fact, there was one recent trip that we didn't have a 900EX available. The passengers flew UAL to Beijing. We dead-headed a Falcon 50EX up there to meet the passengers in Beijing. Then we flew to approximately 10 other places in Asia, finally dropping off the passengers in Beijing to pick up their UAL flight. The 50EX dead-headed back to the US. All this was done because the passengers didn't want to make 2 fuel stops (in an aircraft with 3100 Miles range), and they ALSO didn't want to ride on any of the Asian airlines for safety and security reasons.

Just another take.

JetPilot500

 

[GVFlyer]

WSCoD

Well, no. (responding to a question asking if the Legacy compared directly to the Gulfstream)

But it does come close… It also costs almost half as much and operates at a substantial savings per hour…

The IAI G200 is the jet in the Gulfstream lineup that would be the logical choice to compare to the Legacy. It cost $21.43 million to acquire, has an Mmo of M 0.85 and flys 3,050 nm at M 0.80 or 3,400 at M 0.75. DOC for the Galaxy is $1,348 hr as opposed to $1,615 hr for the WSCoD.

If you insist on a comparison with a large cabin Gulfstream, you don't have to go to the top of the line to pick a fight. The G350 will humble the Legacy without breaking a sweat.

G350 Specifications v. Legacy - 8 passengers, ISA, NBAA IFR Fuel Reserves

Price: $27.5 million (or $6.35 m more than than the Legacy's $21.15m)

Mmo: M 0.88 (Legacy M 0.80)

Range: LRC - 3,800 nm @ Mach 0.80 or 459 kts.( Legacy - 3,220 nm @ M 0.74 or 425 kts.)

Range, High Speed Cruise - 3,200 nm @ m 0.85 or 488 kts.(Legacy - 2,950 @M 0.78 or 448 kts.)

Thrust: Rolls-Royce Tay Mark 611-8C - 13,850 lbs (Legacy - AE 3007 A1E- 7,953 lbs)

TBO: 12,000 hours (Legacy -Unk.)

Initial Altitude: FL410 (Legacy FL370)

T/O Dist. MGTOW: 5,050 ft. (Legacy - 5,770 ft.)

Ldg Dist. MLW: 3,260 ft @ 66,000lbs (Legacy - 2,683 ft.)

Maximum Altitude: FL450 (Legacy FL390, currently in developmental test for FL410)

Cabin Altitude: 6,000 ft @ FL450 (Legacy - 8,800 ft @ FL410)

Max Ramp WT: 71,300 lbs (Legacy - 49,758 lbs)

Max Payload: 6,300 lbs (Legacy - 5,291 lbs)

Max Payload Full Fuel: 2,600 lbs (Legacy - 1,605)

Fuel 26,000 lbs. (Legacy - 18,170lbs)

Cabin Dimensions:45'1" X 6'2" X 7'4" (Legacy 43 X 5'10" 6'11")

DOC $1,731 / hr (Legacy $1,615)

Although the Legacy is 8% per hour less expensive to operate than the Gulfstream, the G350 is 15% faster than the WSCoD on a 3200 nm trip, thereby making the G350 7% more efficient than the Legacy: G350 trip cost $11358.00 - Legacy trip cost:$12,172.17. An added plus is that you will arrive at your destination at least 58 minutes sooner.

You can also count on the G350 to retain 85-90% of it's original value at resale; how is the Legacy doing on the used market?

GV

 

[mmmdonut]

.....please......let.....this.....thread.....die........

 

[SkyGirl]

.....please......let.....this.....thread.....die........

Obviously, there are some pilots who enjoy reading and participating in this thread or it would not be so long lived. Why not just ignore it if you don't like it?

-SkyGirl-

 

[banned username 2]

The IAI G200 is the jet in the Gulfstream lineup that would be the logical choice to compare to the Legacy. It cost $21.43 million to acquire, has an Mmo of M 0.85 and flys 3,050 nm at M 0.80 or 3,400 at M 0.75. DOC for the Galaxy is $1,348 hr as opposed to $1,615 hr for the WSCoD.

If you insist on a comparison with a large cabin Gulfstream, you don't have to go to the top of the line to pick a fight. The G350 will humble the Legacy without breaking a sweat.

G350 Specifications v. Legacy - 8 passengers, ISA, NBAA IFR Fuel Reserves

Price: $27.5 million (or $6.35 m more than than the Legacy's $21.15m)

Mmo: M 0.88 (Legacy M 0.80)

Range: LRC - 3,800 nm @ Mach 0.80 or 459 kts.( Legacy - 3,220 nm @ M 0.74 or 425 kts.)

Range, High Speed Cruise - 3,200 nm @ m 0.85 or 488 kts.(Legacy - 2,950 @M 0.78 or 448 kts.)

Thrust: Rolls-Royce Tay Mark 611-8C - 13,850 lbs (Legacy - AE 3007 A1E- 7,953 lbs)

TBO: 12,000 hours (Legacy -Unk.)

Initial Altitude: FL410 (Legacy FL370)

T/O Dist. MGTOW: 5,050 ft. (Legacy - 5,770 ft.)

Ldg Dist. MLW: 3,260 ft @ 66,000lbs (Legacy - 2,683 ft.)

Maximum Altitude: FL450 (Legacy FL390, currently in developmental test for FL410)

Cabin Altitude: 6,000 ft @ FL450 (Legacy - 8,800 ft @ FL410)

Max Ramp WT: 71,300 lbs (Legacy - 49,758 lbs)

Max Payload: 6,300 lbs (Legacy - 5,291 lbs)

Max Payload Full Fuel: 2,600 lbs (Legacy - 1,605)

Fuel 26,000 lbs. (Legacy - 18,170lbs)

Cabin Dimensions:45'1" X 6'2" X 7'4" (Legacy 43 X 5'10" X 6'11")

DOC $1,731 / hr (Legacy $1,615)

Although the Legacy is 8% per hour less expensive to operate than the Gulfstream, the G350 is 15% faster than the WSCoD on a 3200 nm trip, thereby making the G350 7% more efficient than the Legacy: G350 trip cost $11358.00 - Legacy trip cost:$12,172.17. An added plus is that you will arrive at your destination at least 58 minutes sooner.

You can also count on the G350 to retain 85-90% of it's original value at resale; how is the Legacy doing on the used market?

GV

Well that pretty much sums it up... The Gulfstream is a real contender in the International Corporate Aircraft market and the Legacy is still a WSofD...

I took the liberty of highlighting in RED (for WSofDDriver a.k.a. Skull-One) some of the finer, more interesting points of GVFlyer's post...

WSofD achieves it's max range at a measly M0.74
WSofD "High Speed Cruise" is a measly M0.78
WSofD can only go up to FL390 (yeah, yeah, new software... we know)
WSofD needs nearly 6,000 ft of runway for max range (over 700 ft more than G-350)
WSofD has an 8,800 ft cabin at FL410, have you ever spent 8 hours at an 8,800 ft cabin? Talk about fatigue! The New Global Express is offering a 4,500ft cabin at FL450... Why??? Because it makes a serious difference...
WSofD has a max payload (with full fuel) of 1,000 lbs (5 passengers) LESS than the G-350... That "Big" cabin but yet you can't take everyone with!
WSofD actually has a SMALLER cabin than the G-350...
WSofD has a higher trip cost than the G-350...

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see you are comparing apples to oranges... With your flawed logic, everyone should buy a CitationJet and make as many fuel stops as needed, because they are far cheaper than the WSofD and much cheaper to operate...

 

[mmmdonut]

Obviously, there are some pilots who enjoy reading and participating in this thread or it would not be so long lived. Why not just ignore it if you don't like it?

-SkyGirl-

stfu.... get back into the kitchen and leave the plane talk to men

 

[banned username 2]

stfu.... get back into the kitchen and leave the plane talk to men

Ah Yes... This lovely post gets Mr. Donut Hole into the box for 5 days...

Totally uncalled for...

 

[fokkerjet]

I don't want to see this thread die, but....... responding with FACTS to this guy is pointless, in all of his responses he will never address anything with fact, only his personal opinion or some lame excuse like he left the keys to the jet at home and he can't get to the AFM....Personally, this WSofD is a Junglejet Gulfstream knockoff with a cheap Falcon interior. It does its intended mission pretty well, I assume; confusing people with a little bit of money and a huge ego into thinking that they will impress people by showing up in one of these barbie jets, but in reality, all you're really getting from people is "what the fuk is that thing? Dude I thought you were doing so much better than that!"