Latest on UAL recalls

[Varig]

There's going to be a recall class May 7th. Don't know of any other new ones...

How many are supposed to be in the class?

 

[W8N4UAL]

Yeah, we (Feb 26th recall class) lost one over the weekend during the two week indoc course. He was coming back to SFO 767 but I don't recall how senior he was. Evidently there were a variety of reasons he made his decision, some having to do with United and some not. I got to know him a bit and didn't have any idea he was considering walking...others got a pretty clear signal that unless he got better news he was going to consider bailing.

W8N

 

[Andy]

Hopefully he/she was senior enough to make it matter.

Hard to say. According to the domicile roster, 767 FO goes as low as 8488.

 

[hyflyt560]

According to the domicile roster, 767 FO goes as low as 8488.

Man my timing sucks!! Oh well, I guess by the time my freeze ends there will be a few beneath me on the list.

John
SFO 320

 

[Powda5]

I don't know how many in the class. Guessing it's comparable to previous numbers...

 

[Yuppyguppy]

15 in may

 

[plnegoofy]

any word lately on how many more there are to go on the list? some in the majors section are saying around august for newhires...would you guys agree?

 

[Plunder Hound]

I would say early 2008 is a better guess. As they move up the list, I feel the percentage of people resigning will decrease. Also, some who went to Jet Blue are starting to have doubts about staying there. I'll elect to go back when I have to, unless a better offer comes along

 

[Huggyu2]

I spoke with Bob Neal yesterday. He said they still have 663 (I didn't write it down, but think that was the number) of guys still on bypass. He also said some of the more senior bypassers are coming back earlier than predicted. Why? Probably to ensure they'll be very senior in their rehire class so that they'll get the aircraft/domicile they want.

 

[Andy]

The latest on recalls from United's skynet pages. Current as of 20 Mar:

Junior Pilot Remaining on By Pass: Seniority #: 8273

Hire Date: 09/03/2000​

Pilots Remaining on By Pass: 663

Total number furloughed was 2172. The skynet page states that 1290 have accepted recall, which includes mil leave and leave of absence. 1290 + 663 = 1953. That means that 219 furloughees are no longer on the seniority list.

The current recall rate of 15/mo isn't even enough to keep up with retirements. There are 20+ retirements/mo. They will have to pick up the rate of recalls soon, because they are already short on pilots. They will also need to build a training bubble, which will require additional pilots on property.
I don't know if they're going to 'gut' it out during the summer, but they're going to have to go to 50+/mo at some point in the not-too-distant future.
I think that they will have to start newhire classes in late 2007/early 2008.

 

[level370]

There is an bid out every month of 50+ openings. The Sept. bid has 99. I don't know how they are able to fill the seats.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Can you say summer of 2000?

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Summer of LOVE 2007!

They (UAL EXO) were warned AGAIN, and AGAIN!

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

We are going to have our own summer of love(meltdown) at Northwestern. The usa today is going to have to start a whole new section for the whining from the cheap ass flying public. ************************* em!!!!!!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Just saw 99 vacancies for September mostly widebody. My oh my the snowball will be the size of Glen Tiltons wallet before it's over...that's just my 40% though.

 

[Andy]

For those without access to United's Skynet and pilot forums, this is the latest bid out for United:
PROPOSED BIDDING Posted: 3/22/2007 Closed: 4/1/2007 EFF DATE: 8/30/2007
TRAINING DATES: MAY, JUN, JUL

TOTAL
VACANCIES ​

CAPTAIN

400 ​

CAP

ORD
9
SFO
6


777 ​

CAP

DCA
2
ORD
9
SFO
3


767 ​

CAP

DEN
3
SFO
3


320 ​

CAP

DCA
5


300 ​

CAP

ORD
3
DEN
3


TTL
46 ​

FIRST OFFICER

400 ​

F/O

ORD
10


777 ​

F/O

DCA
6
ORD
6
SFO
6


320 ​

F/O

DCA
15


300 ​

F/O

DCA
3
ORD
7


TTL
53 ​

TOTAL CAP VACANCIES:

46 ​

TOTAL F/O VACANCIES:

53 ​

TOTAL VACANCIES:

99 ​

 

[Varig]

Good info Andy. Thanks for posting!!!

 

[AMDFlyer]

What happened to the 757's?

In APC appears that you have a consistent fleet...but no vacancies.

 

[Booker]

What happened to the 757's?

They're operated as a combined fleet with the 767s, if that's what you mean. (?)

 

[Huggyu2]

I was just told by another UAL pilot that our freeze for recall has been dropped to 2 years. Has anyone else heard this? I've been away from my computer for a few days.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

have not heard that

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I was just told by another UAL pilot that our freeze for recall has been dropped to 2 years. Has anyone else heard this? I've been away from my computer for a few days.

NOT YET but I think it is in the AIP.

BTW- My vote is a BIG FAT..........NO

I already gave enough....no mas!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

...NO!! to the AIP

 

[Andy]

The 36 month freeze does not change in the AIP. It does reduce maximum freezes to 48 months.

Why the opposition to the AIP? I don't see a lot of gives in it; the pilots are getting a LOT of takes.
Our leverage is that UAL is short pilots going into the summer. The company wants temporary relief in order to get through the summer. In exchange for the temporary relief, the LCO rules get thrown out.
I read the TA and think that it's reasonable. I'd like to hear why you guys are opposed to it.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

The 36 month freeze does not change in the AIP. It does reduce maximum freezes to 48 months.

Why the opposition to the AIP? I don't see a lot of gives in it; the pilots are getting a LOT of takes.
Our leverage is that UAL is short pilots going into the summer. The company wants temporary relief in order to get through the summer. In exchange for the temporary relief, the LCO rules get thrown out.
I read the TA and think that it's reasonable. I'd like to hear why you guys are opposed to it.

Oh-man where do I begin?

1. No pay raises.
2. Vacation still 2.8 a day
3. Floor raised to 65 hours instead of the 50
4. Increase in flying for all WB pilots
5. NO Furlough Longevity

THE LIST GOES ON AND ON....WHY SHOULD WE GIVE ANYTHING TO THESE BOZO's running this company?????




the COMPANY IS short. They want this so they will not have to put out more bids esp. in the Widebody fleets. I say we need to say NO!

I have GIVEN enough....NO MORE GIVE BACKS!

 

[Andy]

Oh-man where do I begin?

1. No pay raises.
2. Vacation still 2.8 a day
3. Floor raised to 65 hours instead of the 50
4. Increase in flying for all WB pilots
5. NO Furlough Longevity

THE LIST GOES ON AND ON....WHY SHOULD WE GIVE ANYTHING TO THESE BOZO's running this company?????

the COMPANY IS short. They want this so they will not have to put out more bids esp. in the Widebody fleets. I say we need to say NO!

I have GIVEN enough....NO MORE GIVE BACKS!

The only give back that you've listed is item #3, and that's been mitigated to allow people to drop trips down to 50 hours. ... there is a caveat; if you remain below 65 hrs, you will lose vacation time until you have 65 hrs of credit time.
There is no recourse for the company if you have no vacation time left; your line would remain below 65 hrs. And from what I've heard, the company has been forcing guys to sell back leave.

#1 - Minimum guarantee is increased by 5 hrs; I'd consider that to be a raise.
#2 - No change; remains the same whether or not the TA passes.
#4 - Increase in flying for WB pilots is temporary.
#5 - No change; remains the same whether or not the TA passes.

On the other hand, there are some MAJOR gains for the LCO. We can get those back now or use negotiating capital during C2010 to get the same work rules for the LCO and WB crews.

The only giveback that I see is #3, and that doesn't effect many pilots. I think that it would be very easy to get the floor lowered again when we go through a recession/decrease in block hours.

In all, I see this as a pretty good deal. And FWIW, I'm holding 767FO but will be on mil leave for another 5+ years.

 

[C5 Guy]

Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!

AP
UAL CEO Paid $39.7M in 2006
Monday March 26, 7:28 pm ET
By Jeremy Herron, AP Business Writer

United Chairman, CEO Gets Compensation Worth $39.7 Million in First Year Out of Bankruptcy
NEW YORK (AP) -- The chairman, chief executive and president of UAL Corp., parent of United Airlines, received compensation worth $39.7 million in 2006, the company's first year as a standalone company after emerging from three years of bankruptcy protection.


The lion's share of Glenn Tilton's remuneration came in the form of stock and option awards granted in February, including an award the Chicago-based company valued at $20 million when it was issued Feb. 2, one day after UAL emerged from court-protected bankruptcy.


Tilton received subsequent awards worth about $18 million over the next four weeks. He was paid a base salary of $687,083, received $839,028 in non-equity incentive plan compensation and was granted other

 

[Huggyu2]

I realize that this is only a TA, and that full contract negotiations won't occur for a couple of more years. OK.
However, for me, raising the min from 50 to 65 hours is a bummer. I hope to have the flexibility to drop to 50 hours when (if) I come back.
I hope they address the issue of "what happens if you don't have vacation left, and you drop below 65 hours". Without it being layed out, I'd be curious to see what the company's expectations would be.

 

[Andy]

My bad. I should've read closer. If you don't have enough vacation time, you can't drop below 65 without company concurrence.
I see this as an easy takeback when the company needs to reduce block hours.

This is what's listed in the TA:



LOA 96-01 Schedule Flexibility

1-b No pilot will be permitted to drop a trip if it reduces the projected value of his line below fifty (50) credit hours, without Company concurrence.

For a pilot who completes the month with less than sixty-five (65) credit hours, as a result of pilot-initiated trip trading (including voluntary unpaid drops outside of the automated trip trading system), the minimum number of whole vacation days at 2.8 hours per day necessary to restore the pilot’s credit to at least sixty-five (65) hours will be reduced from his available vacation from his next year’s accrual. Next year’s accrual is that vacation
earned in the current year to be taken in the following year; except that any reduction made between December 1 and May 1 shall be reduced from vacation earned in the following vacation year.

For an unpaid leave that is preassigned, the sixty-five (65) hour threshold described above shall be reduced by 2.8 hours per day. For an unpaid leave that results in trip drop after line awards are published, the sixty-five (65) hour threshold described above shall be reduced on a one-for-one basis for any credit hours in the trip drop. For example, if a pilot is awarded an 80-hour line and drops a 16 hour trip, his 65 hour threshold is reduced by 16 hours to 49 credit hours.

If, from May 1 through November 30 of any year, a pilot’s vacation earned or to be earned in the current vacation year has six (6) days or fewer remaining, or if, during December 1 through April 30 of any year, a pilot’s vacation to be earned in the following vacation year has six (6) days or fewer remaining, the pilot will not be permitted to drop a trip if it reduces the projected value of his line below sixty-five (65) credit hours, without Company concurrence. This sixty-five (65) hour restriction will return to fifty (50) hours
on the following December 1st.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

How bout the 66.7% pay increase??