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[rumrunner300]

Here's the latest vacancy bids posted on skynet. This may give you some idea of what the furloughees passed on for the Feb class. My guess is there'll be a lot of DCA 767s given to people on ML or LOA.

Unfortunately, those of us on mil leave have been given an equipment assignment and although we haven't started training, we're in a 3 year freeze...barring those that were the first furloughees and may not have a freeze.

Just extend your leave until the three years are up. Probably easier said than done but who knows. I know this is not the answer you were looking for but the mil leave thing is, overall, a pretty good deal.

 

[Huggyu2]

...but the mil leave thing is, overall, a pretty good deal.

I know a bunch of folks doing 1-year billets in Iraq that are rethinking that statement.

 

[Andy]

Another datapoint for recallees. I just got my assignment. Seniority #8004. Bypassed the Sep 06 class; accepted recall to the 22 Jan 07 class. Will be going on mil leave until June 09 so my assignment was still available to the guy below me in the class. I was approximately #10 in a class of 30.

I got a 767 to DCA. It looks like the initial bypass worked out perfectly for me.

 

[Guppydriver]

assignment

Andy,

How did you get the word? Did BN call, letter or did you get in touch with him?

Guppy
2.5.07 (followed by 90 day leave)

 

[Andy]

Andy,

How did you get the word? Did BN call, letter or did you get in touch with him?

Guppy
2.5.07 (followed by 90 day leave)

I e-mailed Bob Neal at ~830EST; he replied ~1000EST. I will PM you his e-mail address.

 

[rumrunner300]

I know a bunch of folks doing 1-year billets in Iraq that are rethinking that statement.

Kinda like my first marriage. But I did it voluntarily and knowing fully the risks involved and I didn't even get longevity for my next marriage.

 

[Andy]

Further update: #8421 in the 22 Jan class got a 767 to DCA.

 

[Puppy]

Congrats Andy. I know the company is nervous about putting recallees that haven't flown in 5 years straight into the 767.....will be limited to domestic only for awhile (~250 hrs) until turned loose for international ops.

 

[Andy]

I know the company is nervous about putting recallees that haven't flown in 5 years straight into the 767.....will be limited to domestic only for awhile (~250 hrs) until turned loose for international ops.

LOL! Which company are you referring to? I don't think that United will care - the union might, but I don't think that you'll get much of a response from the company.
The item that I think you're referring to is in LOA 01-05:

...On March 29, 1995, the parties agreed to not assign new-hire pilots for their initial assignment to wide-body First Officer positions in an international operation. After discussions with ALPA regarding this agreement, the parties have agreed to modify this restriction in Letter 99-08 (Wide-Body First Officer) to the following extent to
allow a new hire to be initially assigned to a B757/767 First Officer position under the following conditions:

1. The new-hire pilot will be assigned to domestic flying until he has performed a minimum of 250 actual hours of flying.

2. The new-hire pilot will not be awarded a lateral to another international B757/767 domicile until he has completed the required 250 actual hours of domestic flying...

IIRC, it was the union (Dubinsky in particular) that didn't want newhires to go to international widebodies.
When I return in Jun 09 (mil leave 'til then), I will not have turned a wheel in almost seven years (Sep 02). Having flown a ton of international ops in my prior military flying, I don't see international flying as an issue. Getting my crosscheck up to speed is another story ... I imagine that I'll be buying my sim partner a LOT of beers. :beer:

 

[Puppy]

The SSC brought up safety concerns of putting recallees directly into international ops to Capt Krakowski. He referred to DENTK, and the result is that LOA 01-05 will be applied to recallees.

 

[Andy]

The SSC brought up safety concerns of putting recallees directly into international ops to Capt Krakowski. He referred to DENTK, and the result is that LOA 01-05 will be applied to recallees.

Cool. I guess that I won't have to worry about being tagged for international flights for a while after I return.
When I was reserve on the Bus in LA, I used to get the crappy LAX-San Salvador trips. 3 days away from base, 2 flights at about 5 hrs each and a 30-some hour layover. Funny, they didn't worry about me having 250 hours in the Bus before flying those flights.

 

[Andy]

For the 5 Feb class, this was on the UAL MEC board:


For those in the Feb 5th class wondering about assigments, etc.....

Here's the latest and greatest as of today (Jan 4th), straight from Bob Neil:

Latest assortment of aircraft and domiciles:

6 DCA 767 F/O
15 DCA 320 F/O
9 ORD 300 F/O

Expectation is that the awards/assignments will be official on Jan 12th. I'm #8501, and reportedly in the "top half" of the class. All of this per Bob.

 

[wings421]

So is it still looking like hiring is possible in 07?

 

[Andy]

So is it still looking like hiring is possible in 07?

As of the end of Feb class, all furloughees had been offered recall. There remains ~850 pilots who have deferred and have one last shot at recall.
Current recalls are running in the 50/mo range. I computed that ~200 of the deferred pilots will return, depleting the furlough list by 4 July.
Depending on how slow UAL is to fire up the hiring machine, we could see newhire classes as early as August, assuming that my estimates on returning pilots is correct.

 

[plnegoofy]

what sen. number do they have to go up to to reach the top of the list?

 

[Andy]

what sen. number do they have to go up to to reach the top of the list?

I've never seen it published for the most senior pilot who bypassed.
There were 2172 furloughed; 8655 on the seniority list. Assuming that the most senior furloughee bypassed, the number would be 8655-2172 = 6483.

Edit: correction. I found a sheet indicating that 6507 was the most senior to be on bypass as of 11/10/06.

 

[Z_Pilot]

Depending on how slow UAL is to fire up the hiring machine, we could see newhire classes as early as August, assuming that my estimates on returning pilots is correct.

I am going to hold you to that. j/k ZP

 

[Remington]

tough decision to go back huh

 

[Gordo]

The SSC brought up safety concerns of putting recallees directly into international ops to Capt Krakowski. He referred to DENTK, and the result is that LOA 01-05 will be applied to recallees.

OK, I gotta throw it out there. For those of us involved with military operations, when we return to UAL international ops we aren't wearing armor, helmets, NVGs and landing on blacked out runways with people shooting at us. I can see how we need the protection of the LOA.

 

[Huggyu2]

Andy,
Are there any discussions about eliminating the freezes of the Leave of Absence folks, due to the fact that so many 767's are going so junior?

Also, any more word on the future of the 737 at UAL?