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[Andy]

The SSC brought up safety concerns of putting recallees directly into international ops to Capt Krakowski. He referred to DENTK, and the result is that LOA 01-05 will be applied to recallees.

Cool. I guess that I won't have to worry about being tagged for international flights for a while after I return.
When I was reserve on the Bus in LA, I used to get the crappy LAX-San Salvador trips. 3 days away from base, 2 flights at about 5 hrs each and a 30-some hour layover. Funny, they didn't worry about me having 250 hours in the Bus before flying those flights.

 

[Andy]

For the 5 Feb class, this was on the UAL MEC board:


For those in the Feb 5th class wondering about assigments, etc.....

Here's the latest and greatest as of today (Jan 4th), straight from Bob Neil:

Latest assortment of aircraft and domiciles:

6 DCA 767 F/O
15 DCA 320 F/O
9 ORD 300 F/O

Expectation is that the awards/assignments will be official on Jan 12th. I'm #8501, and reportedly in the "top half" of the class. All of this per Bob.

 

[wings421]

So is it still looking like hiring is possible in 07?

 

[Andy]

So is it still looking like hiring is possible in 07?

As of the end of Feb class, all furloughees had been offered recall. There remains ~850 pilots who have deferred and have one last shot at recall.
Current recalls are running in the 50/mo range. I computed that ~200 of the deferred pilots will return, depleting the furlough list by 4 July.
Depending on how slow UAL is to fire up the hiring machine, we could see newhire classes as early as August, assuming that my estimates on returning pilots is correct.

 

[plnegoofy]

what sen. number do they have to go up to to reach the top of the list?

 

[Andy]

what sen. number do they have to go up to to reach the top of the list?

I've never seen it published for the most senior pilot who bypassed.
There were 2172 furloughed; 8655 on the seniority list. Assuming that the most senior furloughee bypassed, the number would be 8655-2172 = 6483.

Edit: correction. I found a sheet indicating that 6507 was the most senior to be on bypass as of 11/10/06.

 

[Z_Pilot]

Depending on how slow UAL is to fire up the hiring machine, we could see newhire classes as early as August, assuming that my estimates on returning pilots is correct.

I am going to hold you to that. j/k ZP

 

[Remington]

tough decision to go back huh

 

[Gordo]

The SSC brought up safety concerns of putting recallees directly into international ops to Capt Krakowski. He referred to DENTK, and the result is that LOA 01-05 will be applied to recallees.

OK, I gotta throw it out there. For those of us involved with military operations, when we return to UAL international ops we aren't wearing armor, helmets, NVGs and landing on blacked out runways with people shooting at us. I can see how we need the protection of the LOA.

 

[Huggyu2]

Andy,
Are there any discussions about eliminating the freezes of the Leave of Absence folks, due to the fact that so many 767's are going so junior?

Also, any more word on the future of the 737 at UAL?

 

[Andy]

Andy,
Are there any discussions about eliminating the freezes of the Leave of Absence folks, due to the fact that so many 767's are going so junior?

Also, any more word on the future of the 737 at UAL?

Too early for both.

I've heard second hand of one guy who was on a LOA and was able to get a 767, but it's not something that I'd count on.

As for the phaseout of the 737, take a look at United's investor day presentation: http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/83/836/83680/items/224251/2006InvestorDayPresentation.pdf

Page 95 indicates that the 733 is the oldest fleet at United.
I wouldn't expect to see a phaseout of the 737 until United starts taking delivery of new aircraft. United has a number of exercisable options with Airbus for 319/320s. If there were an industry downturn, that may also cause an accelerated retirement of the 737s.b
One factor that complicates this is the fact that Continental has a significant number of 737s. They have 48 737-300s and 63 737-500s.

 

[Varig]

When they start hiring, does anybody know what the minimums will be???

 

[C5 Guy]

FO Employment Application 2000

Basic Qualifications (From UAL Flight Officer Employment Application in 2000)

• Meet eligibility requirements of FAR 61.153 (a) through (f) and 61.159 for the ATP rating (Note: ATP written must be current) or hold ATP certificate.
• Must possess flight engineer certificate (turbojet) or must have passed the FAA written (FEB and FEJ or FEX).
• 300 hours Multi-engine Airplane or 300 hours Turbojet powered airplane.
• FAA commercial pilot certificate (ASEL or AMEL) with instrument rating.
• High School graduate or GED.
• Able to effectively manipulate the controls of all aircraft United Airlines operates.
• Must possess First Class medical certificate.
• Vision correctable to 20/20.
• If not a US citizen you must be a registered alien with a legal right to accept employment in the US.
• Must possess restricted radio telephone operator permit.

NO MORE FE positions so this should be removed from new application whenever it comes about.

Good luck.

 

[Varig]

Thanks C5 Guy.:beer:

 

[Gordo]

I am recalled to the Feb 5 class. I received an e-mail from Bob Neil today that the assignments will be mailed to Mil leave and Leav of Absence pilots on or about Feb 5th. They are working on them now, and the pairings are not yet complete.