LAS Picket huge success

[El Chupacabra]

Thats right I say it has nothing to do with it.

I couldn't do those things if a gun was being pointed to my head.

 

[Majik]

Thats right I say it has nothing to do with it.

I couldn't do those things if a gun was being pointed to my head.

I didn't say you would. I was speculating that an idiot might. We're talking about what might cause idiots to start acting this way, not what would make you act this way, right?

So go ahead and answer my question - what reason do you attribute to this increase in idiotic activity if failed negotiations have nothing to do with it, solar flareups?

 

[Hogprint]

Why in the world would a person stand in the rain for four minutes and not pound on the door or at least let yourself in?

You must be one tall hombre if you can see inside an XL?

The last time I ordered lobsta, they didn't come packed in water.

I think I smell something like bad lobsta.....

 

[buttercup]

I'm calling BS on this-

1. If it was an ultra i could understand. You can see in the ultra no problem from the ramp. XL no way unless you are standing on your tippee toes and then only maybe.

2. 3 dozen live lobsters really doesn't take up that much room. Let me guess the lobster pound on the end of the runway in bar harbor. I've seen the inside of the xl baggage area it's huge. Even if they did have lobsters back there they could have easily put your baggage in. Why would they bring attention to themselves about the lobsters in the back? They would just cram as much stuff as they could into the baggage hold.

3. So we aren't allowed to listen to music while cleaning up, putting charts away, vacuming? Do u know what corrective actions the pilots took to try and get you your meals? Maybe they called the company and they were going to asap them to the plane but it didn't arrive in time.

4. No way in gods green earth would I allow this to happen. xxx in the dvd player with two guys cramped in a metal tube? Common now be realistic.

OWNAGE!!

 

[CapnVegetto]

Again, what was Santulli's response when you told him about your unpleasant experiences? Did he sound like he was aware that things are going to hell in a handbasket? What solutions did he offer to comfort your fears that this growing trend of unprofessionalism behavior was not going to continue or increase?

This is the entire point! Something that airline CEO's can't seem to learn, and now the frac. CEO's can't seem to learn. YOU CAN'T RUN A SERVICE BUSINESS WITH PI$$ED OFF LABOR. Especially a business catering to rich people that expect the world to be laid out at their feet. Unmotivated labor won't give a crap, they'll just do their job good enough to get by, and then go home. When you treat pilots like crap, they are not going to care about making your company look good. When in the hell are some of these management teams going to figure this out??

 

[FAcFriend]

This is the entire point! Something that airline CEO's can't seem to learn, and now the frac. CEO's can't seem to learn. YOU CAN'T RUN A SERVICE BUSINESS WITH PI$$ED OFF LABOR. Especially a business catering to rich people that expect the world to be laid out at their feet. Unmotivated labor won't give a crap, they'll just do their job good enough to get by, and then go home. When you treat pilots like crap, they are not going to care about making your company look good. When in the hell are some of these management teams going to figure this out??

this goes both ways-
How many aviation cos. have to go out of business before pilots stop putting themselves out of work?

 

[transpac]

Sometimes fact is even stranger than fiction. Like I said, for a long while, pilot attitude towards owners was increasingly good, but in the past month have been a change. Or maybe I just got four bad flights and crews. If these are pilots going by the "rules", please let me know what other rule I have never heard discussed on this board.

Instance #1. We show about 10 minutes into a hour long sliding departure, The plane and pilots were positioned 3 hours before the start of my slide. It is pouring rain. No pilot in FBO. We drive out on the ramp to the plane. Co-Pilot is sitting in cockpit havinbg lunch. It is an Excel so we can see in easily. Sandwich and chips -- no pre-flight papers. We are all standing out in the rain. I motion to open the door, He motions 1 minutes. Continues to eat sandwich, chips, soda, sandwoch chips soda. We are getting soaked. I motion again. He motions 1 more minute. Sandwich, chips, soda, sandwich chips soda. We are still in the rain. 4 minutes have elapsed. I know on the fuselage. He finishes his sandwich, chip and soda. Then opens the door. During this time, the other pilot does surface and we start loading the bags.

Instance #2. Flying back from Maine. Pilots have 3 dozen live lobsters in the rear cargo area. (they were at the end of their tour after our trip and then returing home to Columbus). We do not have enough room for our bags. Lots of comments about our bags. They want to put a few of them in the cabin (and in a way they usually do not allow -- not belted down etc.). I say -- gee I have flown the Excel hundreds of times and know what fits in the back. I stick my head in the back and that is when I discover the lobsters and ask about them. I accommodate their wishes and keep alot of bags in the cabin. During the flight, water and other fluids leak from the lobster boxes onto our luggage.

Instance #3. We arrive for our flight, crew is blaring a 90s grunge band CD at full volume in the cabin. When the doors open it is like the old Maxell commercial -- we are practically blown away. (P.S. --we were not early either). Once in the air we notice the catering has not been checked (we are missing 1/2 of it) and no ice in the cabin. All of the pilots crew meals apparently made it. While I am hunting in the closets for more catering, I open the closet with the crew meals and the co pilot says (and not jokingly and not in a nice tome of voice) -- "that's ours -- sorry all of yours didn't make it". I hadn't said a word -- how did he know that all of mine didn't make it??

Instance #4. Either pilot or co-pilot was watching XXX movie during positioning leg and left the DVD in the player (it was a straight one). After take off, I go to put a DVD in, find this one. When i happen to stick my head in the cockpit, I happen to notice a container for the DVD next to the pilot's seat. Then I said, "I think you left this in the player". Then it was one look of surprise.

These events are a little different than the pilot who wants to make sure he gets his 60 minutes between legs, etc.

Can't speak to instances 3 and 4, but instance 1 is total BS and instance 2 is unlikely for the reasons already pointed out. Wilt Chamberlain can't see into an XL cockpit from the ground well enough to determine what anyone there is eating. And, how could anyone determine from the ground that there were no "preflight papers" in the cockpit?

 

[Majik]

How many aviation cos. have to go out of business before pilots stop putting themselves out of work?

I'll let you know when it ever happens. Since every case of an aviation company going out of business is because of management errors, I'd focus there first if I were you.

 

[NJAowner]

Cross-Examination

Guys -- be realistic. The "flight deck" of an XL is not 20 feet in the air. I did not say that I oculd tell you what color socks he had on, but you can clearly see if he is eating lunch. And maybe I overspoke -- I am sure there were some preflight papaers in the cockpit -- he just wasn't reading them. He was eating lunch. And I apologize for the typo -- I did not "know" on the fuselage -- I meant "knock". I will correct the original post since I know none of you ever had a typo. I was also helping the pilot load the bags into the back while the family waited. Wait -- what about the FBO help -- let me stop you before cross-examination. I took the bags out of the car since I needed to say which ones where staying, which went in the back and which in the cabin. We did have some help.

And no the lobsters were not packed in water, however, the come out of water and usually some water drains from them. Are they ever completely dry. Some of you can take any sentence out of context and looks for holes in it. I guess that is what watching alot of the cross-examination at the MJ trial in FBOs does to you. Also, Diesel is correct -- there is a lot of room in the back of the XL. But when 2 adults are flying with 5 children -- there is alot to put in the back.

Just answer me this -- do you act the same towards your owners as you did 1 year ago or 3 years ago?? If yes --bravo -- you are a professional. If no -- you know what I am writing about. Can you say the same for your partner this tour?

 

[xrated]

Citation X average pay June 2005 Pro Pilot

Corporate - $130,000 Fractional - $67,000

Hell I only got $64K

Where is my 100% pay raise?

Looks to me if you want a 100% pay raise, you'll have find yourself a coporate job. I think you're doing the wrong kind of flying to make that kind of coin.