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[FAcFriend]

Hey, I am not blaming anyone. I am just wondering when you guys are going to find a solution. Seems like at NetJets you didnt like the outcome the other way and now you are modelling the airlines. I have furloughed US Air people in my family, do you?

There has to be a better way.

I'll let you know when it ever happens. Since every case of an aviation company going out of business is because of management errors, I'd focus there first if I were you.

 

[FAcFriend]

You really have no idea what you are talking about, you must not know any of the people you have just slandered. It's a good thing this is anonymous board, I'm sure you wouldn't have the stones to say that to any of the people on the committee. You are a pitiful coward.

this is uncalled for. I didnt slander anyone. RE READ my post. If I have said something wrong, please let me know. I have only ever been open to opposing views on the board.

If I were in his shoes......

 

[El Chupacabra]

Yes I act the same toward the Owners.

What happened to you is an outrage.

Plus I hate porn... and would have destroyed it if it were brought on my aircraft.

 

[x402]

and while in negoatiations, BO and committee
don't have to fly
don't have to work 14 hour days
don't have to be away from home as much
don't have to eat crew food
don't have to carry luggage
His wife is happier because he is not on the road as much-

The only thing this guy doesnt have is more money- but that is debatable because we all know it costs any family more money to have one member on the road alot. Netjets wife taught us that.

You're a slanderous as*hole. The committee is working from a survey, not their best (self) interests.

I re-read your post just to be sure I didn't miss something. I didn't, you're a jerk.

 

[Majik]

Yes, I act the same towards owners as I did 5 years ago (and that means quality service). I make sure my partner does the same and have never had a problem with their actions.

Now in the past I used to overlook a minor discrepancy here or there so that passengers were not inconvienenced or the company could get maximum utilization out of a plane and crew. That NEVER happens anymore! So, if you get to my plane, it happens to be 100% healthy, my partner and I happen to be 100% healthy, my partner and I aren't feeling fatigued, and we haven't missed a meal, then we'll go for a ride you could brag to your friends about.

Now, NJA Owner, how about the courtesy of an answer to the questions I asked? Are you the type that just bellyaches on the board or did you stand up for yourself and call Santulli? Do you want him to correct these problems or does talking about it on this board peg your satisfaction meter?

 

[Semore Butts]

Wow....

NJA Owner,

I am just now returning to the line after my tour in Iraq.

I can't say what may be going on now, but I can tell you that I have never, nor have I ever known anybody that acted as you have described. Maybe those dumba$$es didn't realize you were the owner when you were standing outside in the rain, I hope so.

We have had private dialog and I do not dispute what you are saying.

It's been a long tough battle and I applaud what the pilots have endured. Lets hope an end is coming.

There is no excuse for such actions. I have not seen such attitude in my 2 year tenure at Netjets (before deploying), or my 3 years at Flexjet prior to that.

I would ask that you "cut a little slack" on the lobsters. Something like that is what people who can't afford to take their private jet to the Bahama's or Aspen do to make them feel special. It's kinda like the feeling Bob Crachet's family had when Scrooge got them the big turkey. (Look hon, ain't it great!)

I'm not excusing the way your baggage was treated, they should not have put you out in any way. I am not trying to be condensending about the jet to the bahama's remark.

These are good men and woman. If there has been such a radical decline in service it's because of the length of this contract negotiation, you can only take it so long, then you just have nothing to lose.

I sincerely hope this is not what I find when I get to the line.

I can tell you this, when I got to Iraq I ran into a buddy of mine that was the most happy go lucky guy you would ever want to meet. He had been in country for over 600 days, he was not the person I remember. He was gaunt and distant and had been run ragged. This situation is not as differrent as you may think.

 

[Gandolf]

NJA Owner,
First let me say that if your descriptions were accurate, I would say little to defend the crews involved. That kind of customer service is inexcusable, no matter what the state of labor relations are, but I have never come across a NJA pilot that would knowingly act like that. (That is not to say that I haven't been surprised by an habitually-late owner that showed up at the beginning of a slide.

However, you are correct that the environment has changed in the past 6-12 months. Being a pilot at NetJets currently is now akin to being a whipped dog. Too often, when we land, the customers are already mad at the company, the pilots, whoever. and many are none too shy about taking it out on the first NetJets employee they see. Try flying into these situations four or five times a day and see if it doesn't affect your outlook and job performance, especially when you AGREE with them that they are being treated poorly. Each revision of our flight ops manual and each "policy" memo shifts more and more responsibility to the flight crews ("If Person A didn't call you with Information B, it is now your responsibility to call Person A to find out why"). Each new directive seems to shave a little bit more off our safety margins (lower fuel reserves, increasingly liberal maintenance policies, reduced training, etc.).

Finally and probably expectedly, there is an increasing threat of discipline and/or termination for anyone tripping in the minefield.

While I fully support the union and the negotiating committee's goals, I won't be here enough years for any settlement (even a 100% raise) to have a material effect on my lifestyle. However, I can categorically state that this is a lousy place to work right now. No matter what you do or no matter how hard you try, it seems you will have pissed off owners, a threat to your certificate or your personal safety, or a carpet dance. While a year ago, I enjoyed the challenge of providing excellent service in my plane, I am now more concerned about my professional safety and integrity, and quite often that is going to require me to slow down and be more careful. Are these numbers from dispatch still correct? Has the weather changed and I need an alternate now? Is maintenance REALLY telling me the right thing about whether this mechanical discrepancy is OK to fly with? I used to be more trusting about these things, but the pressure to get more legs in a day out of a crew has caused some to play fast and loose with the truth.

My goals when I go to work now:
Don't hit anything
Don't hurt anyone
Don't risk your license for this job
Provide the best customer service, consistent with the above.

Hope you fly on my plane _ I am allergic to lobster!

 

[JetProp]

Good post, Gandolf

 

[CapnVegetto]

this goes both ways-
How many aviation cos. have to go out of business before pilots stop putting themselves out of work?

Who's responsibility is it to keep the companies from going out of business?

Answer: MANAGEMENT.

Keeping a company running well INVOLVES KEEPING YOUR WORKFORCE HAPPY. You can't have a pi$$ed off workforce. As management, you are responsible for the company, it's operation, it's employees, and it's bottom line. All of these are tied together. If the pilots want to be paid fairly, then you're gonna have to figure out how to do it because it's your f-cking job! You can cut wages all you want, but all that is going to do is pi$$ off your workforce, which will in turn cause them to care less about the company, therefore driving away customers, thereby putting the company out of business. Who's fault is it? Managment's fault. It is your JOB to find the happy medium. If you can't do that, you are incompetent and someone else needs to be doing it.

 

[Semore Butts]

Nice job Gandoff

You said it much better then I did.