Jetblue Seniority

[bluejuice787]

Does anyone know the approximate number of retirements that B6 will have in the next ten years if age 60 is still in play. Getting this info from the company is nearly impossible...not sure why. I dont think we need to know names, rather just retirement dates.

Thx

 

[8vATE]

As you mentioned..

that information is not readily available...

the pilot group is fairly young...
If I were to GUESS on how many current pilots are 50 or over...

10 to maybe 20% of 1100 pilots?

what would be more relevant in my opinion is the fact that there are about 82 airplanes on the property with about 320-340 on the way.

ASSUMING there is an airline industry and jet fuel in the future.
good luck..

 

[bluejuice787]

Thx AV8-

How many a320 vs e190? Do you know how many pilots per A/C we are planning for. I am simply trying to figure out when I may hold a line as a CA.

 

[Chronic Jetlag]

6 crews per A/C. 200 E190s and 230 buses if all options are exercised. 430x12=5160 pilots

 

[Flying Freddie]

Thx AV8-

How many a320 vs e190? Do you know how many pilots per A/C we are planning for. I am simply trying to figure out when I may hold a line as a CA.

Double the amount of airplanes from when you came on the property. That will give you a rough idea.

 

[a320drivr]

Thats a very good question. A few years ago someone tried to put a seniority list together with birthdates, etc and the company put the kabash on it. I'm telling you guys, the company doesnt want us to know certain things for a very good reason. Its kind of funny when someone puts something on the crew room board that is at all critical of the company, its gone within a few hours. So much for open conversation and the open door policy. We need our own forum that mgmt. cant access.

 

[Hobiehawker]

Thats a very good question. A few years ago someone tried to put a seniority list together with birthdates, etc and the company put the kabash on it. I'm telling you guys, the company doesnt want us to know certain things for a very good reason. Its kind of funny when someone puts something on the crew room board that is at all critical of the company, its gone within a few hours. So much for open conversation and the open door policy. We need our own forum that mgmt. cant access.

Personally, this kind of company control would scare the he!! out of me.

 

[1-tacan-rule]

Imagine the nerve.....

Thats a very good question. A few years ago someone tried to put a seniority list together with birthdates, etc and the company put the kabash on it. I'm telling you guys, the company doesnt want us to know certain things for a very good reason. Its kind of funny when someone puts something on the crew room board that is at all critical of the company, its gone within a few hours. So much for open conversation and the open door policy. We need our own forum that mgmt. cant access.

...of a company that actually doesn't approve when "someone" puts critical things about the company on a company owned board in a (company) public space.

You'd be hard-pressed to find anywhere that the definition of "open conversation" is anonomously (or otherwise) posted bulletin board notices ragging on the company or it's policy.

Return to your hole, hobbit.

 

[Falconjet]

Easy there TR, he is one of your own.

FJ

 

[1-tacan-rule]

Hey FJ...

Easy there TR, he is one of your own.

FJ

Shouldn't you be getting some sleep for your North Dakota turn tonight?

 

[KC-10 Driver]

If I'm not mistaken, the list that had been circulated contained personal information (specifically birthdays, I think). The company said that it didn't want company resources (computers, network, etc) used to disclose private information, due to liability reasons.

At least, that's how I remember it. Maybe a flimsy excuse, maybe not.

I can say that I didn't really think anything of it at the time. Heck, I probably still have the old list somewhere on my laptop hard drive.

It would be nice, I suppose, to know exactly where I would end up at age 60 (even though I really hope to not have to work until then).

 

[G4G5]

If I'm not mistaken, the list that had been circulated contained personal information (specifically birthdays, I think). The company said that it didn't want company resources (computers, network, etc) used to disclose private information, due to liability reasons.

At least, that's how I remember it. Maybe a flimsy excuse, maybe not.

I can say that I didn't really think anything of it at the time. Heck, I probably still have the old list somewhere on my laptop hard drive.

It would be nice, I suppose, to know exactly where I would end up at age 60 (even though I really hope to not have to work until then).

That's just one of the things a union does

 

[Eagleflip]

If everybody on the forum sends me 2% of their paycheck every month, I'll figure it out for you...:laugh:

 

[Mugs]

Shouldn't you be getting some sleep for your North Dakota turn tonight?

Shouldn't you be getting some sleep for your upcoming trans-con turns?

 

[Smoking Man]

If everybody on the forum sends me 2% of their paycheck every month, I'll figure it out for you...:laugh:

I'll do it for 1.95% of your paycheck.

 

[G4G5]

And the 190 pilots will do it for half of that, hence the need for a union

 

[NTS ALL 4]

Send out your info G4..

And the 190 pilots will do it for half of that, hence the need for a union

Maybe you could post your SSN, address, date of hire, where you work...better yet, just post your resume so someone can send you the list. I'll bet the JB seniority list could contain some confidential personnel information just like all the other ALPO union seniority lists contain.

But hey, I'll bet over half of the JB seniority are furloughed from union carriers. They most likely are still on their unions seniority list so you could get that information from ALPO. I'll even bet most furloughed JB pilots had a contract that included the ever popular "no furlough" clause in their CBA. That's what your union dues get you these days.

Go ALPO!

 

[G4G5]

Yep, unions are aweful, history has shown that we would have been much better off witout them. (scarsam)

Todays WSJ
Interesting:

JetBlue called Michael E. McDonald this week to tell him his flight from New York to San Juan, Puerto Rico, next week was canceled. He had booked a 9 p.m. flight so he could get in a full day of work and be in San Juan in plenty of time for a wedding. But JetBlue offered a 3 p.m. flight, meaning he'd miss much of the workday, or a flight the next morning, which was cutting it too close for the wedding.
"According to the agent, the airline could not completely fill the plane that I was to fly, and had canceled the flight," Mr. McDonald says. "What should I do in the future if this problem should occur again?"

This is a problem travelers are going to run into a lot this fall, I think. So it's worth reviewing options.

In Mr. McDonald's case, JetBlue did give him nine days of notice, which proved crucial. That's a lot better than what Delta proposes. I think Delta risks deeply angering customers with fuel-price cancellations on relatively short notice. Early morning and late-night flights are the most likely to be canceled, Delta said, but business travelers in particular use those flights for a specific purpose -- to get an extra night at home or put in a full day of work, for example. Canceling those flights may mean not being able to get home for an important event after a day of meetings, or having to leave a day earlier for a trip and missing a kid's sporting event.

Mr. McDonald didn't like the choices JetBlue offered, so he called American and booked better flights, paying only $272 since he had more than a week's advance notice. That's more than his $198 JetBlue fare bought in July. JetBlue will refund that without any penalty, of course, but Mr. McDonald asks if JetBlue should make him whole.his is a problem travelers are going to run into a lot this fall, I think. So it's worth reviewing options.
In Mr. McDonald's case, JetBlue did give him nine days of notice, which proved crucial. That's a lot better than what Delta proposes. I think Delta risks deeply angering customers with fuel-price cancellations on relatively short notice. Early morning and late-night flights are the most likely to be canceled, Delta said, but business travelers in particular use those flights for a specific purpose -- to get an extra night at home or put in a full day of work, for example. Canceling those flights may mean not being able to get home for an important event after a day of meetings, or having to leave a day earlier for a trip and missing a kid's sporting event.
Mr. McDonald didn't like the choices JetBlue offered, so he called American and booked better flights, paying only $272 since he had more than a week's advance notice. That's more than his $198 JetBlue fare bought in July. JetBlue will refund that without any penalty, of course, but Mr. McDonald asks if JetBlue should make him whole.

 

[Dizel8]

G4G5,

Looks more like the change over due to winter schedule, but am curious how he ended up with a ticket on the evening departure.

Looked at our website, and it does not show a 9pm departure, so it is no longer scheduled. I do not think DAL would get into hot water if they changed their schedule, but DAL looks at the loads and then cancel as close as two day prior.

 

[jbucpt]

And the 190 pilots will do it for half of that, hence the need for a union[/quote

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ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc., the nation's third-largest carrier, is prepared to use the bankruptcy court to achieve $325 million in cost concessions from its pilots if the company and union can't reach a deal on their own, chief executive Gerald Grinstein said Thursday

lets see how well DALPA will protect the profession...............hence the need for a union...

 

[CUZ]

And the 190 pilots will do it for half of that, hence the need for a union[/quote

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ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc., the nation's third-largest carrier, is prepared to use the bankruptcy court to achieve $325 million in cost concessions from its pilots if the company and union can't reach a deal on their own, chief executive Gerald Grinstein said Thursday

lets see how well DALPA will protect the profession...............hence the need for a union...

DITTO

 

[G4G5]

Talk to the IPA about how bad a pilot union can be, they just received a 95% confidency vote (pro strike) from their membership. The IPA is on the verge of making the UPS pilots the wealthiest of any pilot group. Uniforns, luggage, 1% A fubd, 11% B fund yada yada. All paid for.

Talk to the SWA pilots about how bad a union has been for them. Higest paid 737 pilots I know of.

Airtran has the NPA. They seem to be doing pretty well.

You guys crack me up. It's just another case of the Kool Aide blues. No one said it has to be ALPO but your mgt has got your pilot group so anti union, that the thought of a union that actually could do something good is beyond anyones concept.

Their are good unions, that actually help pilots. A union is what you make it. Anyone who follows my posts know that I am definatly not pro APLO. But you have to admit that something as simple as a seniority list showing projected seniority at retirement is something that a union would be good at.

Besides who ever said it had to be 2%, for years the APA charged 1.5% and they had over 10,000 pilots. To defend and represent 2,000 pilots with a positive friendly mgt, shouldn't cost 2%. It's when you start spending big bucks on the lawers that the money adds up quick.

Food for thought.

 

[banger]

And the 190 pilots will do it for half of that, hence the need for a union

Yea, a union did me a lot of good! After faithfully paying my dues, everything they promised me; No furlough, retirement,etc.. is gone. Every pilot I know in ALPA is trying to get out of it. What union do you like?

 

[G4G5]

What do USAir, UAL, DAL and NWA all have in common?
ALPO
What do SWA, UPS, AA and Airtran all have in comon?
Besides not being bankrupt. Independant pilot unions.

Your a smart guy, you tell me which would be better for Jetblue?

 

[jbucpt]

What do USAir, UAL, DAL and NWA all have in common?
ALPO
What do SWA, UPS, AA and Airtran all have in comon?
Besides not being bankrupt. Independant pilot unions.

Your a smart guy, you tell me which would be better for Jetblue?

none...........AA is on the brink of bankruptcy, (pilots will have to give back) SWA only made a profit due to intelligent management hedging fuel....airtran will post a lost for the year ( pilots will have to give back) and UPS is not in the passenger carrier business.. i.e. little competition....

the only thing pilot unions proved the last 4 years is how quick it can GIVE BACK.... that 2% was money well spent???

whats smarter, starting at a lower rate gradually going up or taking it in the A$$ and giving it back????

 

[IB6 UB9]

What do USAir, UAL, DAL and NWA all have in common?
ALPO
What do SWA, UPS, AA and Airtran all have in comon?
Besides not being bankrupt. Independant pilot unions.

Your a smart guy, you tell me which would be better for Jetblue?

Where are you laid off from anyway?

 

[Falconjet]

Unions aren't a defense against bad business models or really unfortunate economic and political realities. You are expecting way to much of a union if you think it can prevent furloughs or airlines driving themselves into bankruptcy. How do you feel about Santa Claus?

I'd still prefer to have the union behind me when it comes times to negotiate contracts, grieve a scheduling error, or God forbid defend me from some enforcement action by the FAA.

Oh yeah, 1-T-R, we need to talk. I think you are doing more redeyes than I am right now, and I'm a vampire!

Hope ya'll are doing well down there in my hometown.

FJ

 

[TonyC]

... UPS is not in the passenger carrier business.. i.e. little competition...

When you grow out of your nursery rhyme phase, read up on a little Memphis-based company started by Fred Smith.



Hey Diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle...

 

[conman]

whats smarter, starting at a lower rate gradually going up or taking it in the A$$ and giving it back????


And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Those are the words of a new-age airline pilot who's compensation expectations have been altered by airline management. JetBlue has created the modern era "B" scale with its EMB rates of pay. In August of 1991, thirteen years ago an American Airlines F-100 CA made $142.72 per hour. A JetBlue equivalent will bag $89.00 per hour at year 12. Now the rest of the industry has finally given in to the low cost operators. My question. Will you guys rise up and defend the profession?

 

[banger]

taking it in the A$$ and giving it back????
And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Those are the words of a new-age airline pilot who's compensation expectations have been altered by airline management. JetBlue has created the modern era "B" scale with its EMB rates of pay. In August of 1991, thirteen years ago an American Airlines F-100 CA made $142.72 per hour. A JetBlue equivalent will bag $89.00 per hour at year 12. Now the rest of the industry has finally given in to the low cost operators. My question. Will you guys rise up and defend the profession?

Conman
Maybe your right maybe your wrong. Only time will tell. There are no 5 year EMB-190 Captains right now let alone a 12 year one. So who cares what the pay listed beyond year 5 is? Once the aircraft starts making money and jetBlue raises the pay on the EMB-190 comensurate with industry standards would you be man enough to admit you were wrong? I wonder?