Jetblue Pilots Vote Union Down

[Golden Falcon]

ALPA has two major tasks as I see it..

1) push the FAA to enforce new FTL's on the airlines

2) Get airlines out from under the Railways labor act..

They will be largely toothless until they accomplish item #2

 

[CFIT]

Just cannot believe rational pilots would not want a union?

I agree, just not ALPO.

Too far gone to fix.

The fruit has rotted, putting it back in the refrigerator isn't going to solve the problem.

 

[tzflyer]

So why not vote in representation and make the JBPA what it should be.

Because there wasn't enough support to make it work amongst this group now, enough aren't frustrated yet. 10-12 years for AT and they still can't make it work..long time to be frustrated and paying for the privledge



What you are really saying is, you don't like what the JBPA had set up, because it required you and all jb pilots to do the heavy lifting......right?

I have done your "heavy lifting" at many other airlines, including committee chairmanship under IBT and ALPA. I am saying they didn't seem to have what I thought would be effective, would you go buy a product or service you viewed as ineffective? I don't mean S and E were the problem, I mean the lack of money(1%) and lack of support amongst the group would have doomed them now. I never had to decide whether I wanted to be represented because the vehicle being sold didn't meet my needs.
Please don't try to read into "what I am really saying, I am saying what I am really saying"
tz

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Because there wasn't enough support to make it work amongst this group now, enough aren't frustrated yet. 10-12 years for AT and they still can't make it work..long time to be frustrated and paying for the privledge

Well, if all the BoBs werent running around trying to get street cred by qualifying their rediculous arguements with "I was an ALPA ____________, I know what I am talking about...."

I have done your "heavy lifting" at many other airlines, including committee chairmanship under IBT and ALPA.

Then you know what works well and what doesn't. Guys like you are the perfect volunteers to apply workable repsresentation unique to JB.

I am saying they didn't seem to have what I thought would be effective,

Then make it effect.... This isn't an auction. This is the profession and your career.

would you go buy a product or service you viewed as ineffective?

This isn't consumerism. This is the profession. The profession isn't something you buy.

I don't mean S and E were the problem, I mean the lack of money(1%) and lack of support amongst the group would have doomed them now.

And all the ex union guys who knew best didn't do what was best...

I never had to decide whether I wanted to be represented because the vehicle being sold didn't meet my needs..

Of course because this is about your wallet and not the profession.

Please don't try to read into "what I am really saying, I am saying what I am really saying"
tz

When are you JB pilots going to quit acting like independent contractors and function more like professionals...??


Do we succeed and progress when we all look out for ourselves? Or do we suceed when we function as a group, a collective, a profession...

its called collective bargaining for a reason.