Jetblue Pilots Vote Union Down

[fifty30retard]

On another thread a JB pilot mentioned a list of pilots who were the most anti union. I believe it is called band of blue. That might be the way to deny jumpseats to the true offenders without punishing the guys that tried.

They have already shut down their website and crawled back in their holes. However, they did create a list and label some as union, BOB, or sym. What a pathetic group! I'm embarassed to be associated with some of these fools.

 

[njcapt]

Mark, you forgot the: "Let's recall our MEC Chair Every Year" action that results in nothing better.

Unionizing won't solve all your problems. In fact, it will create more. However, if you do, you need to hold your representation accountable.

Oooh, oooh, I have another one.

Once in a while (after one of the frequent recalls) have your MEC elect a Chairman who is the compromise of two rival factions and a completely unknown entity. Allow him to rob the Union blind and get nothing done.

WINNARS!

To contribute, The jetBlue pilots need to regroup and learn from the experience. Anybody who thinks that management is going to 'reward' you over the long term for turning down representation is a fool and ignorant of history. They may grant you some baubles and shiny trinkets for your 'loyalty', but in the end you just signaled to them that you are marks waiting to be fleeced the next time it suits their needs. This characterization will take a long time and a lot of pain to reverse.

 

[ultrarunner]

What were the actual voting statistics?

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Barf!!!

 

[relief tube]

Looks like industry low pax yields and regional-like 190 payscales will continue.

Part of the reason the once-distinct line between regional and mainline has been made fine.

 

[Longhorn]

I belive the split was 67%/33%

 

[Scope out RJ's]

As per the FAM 2-31 no flight deck crewmember may replace a F/A during the deplaning process-- per minimum crew requirements. There must be one F/A at the door during deplaning. If you've been doing this in past, you are in conflict with SOP.

As a cleaning JB pilot-- when time and conditions permit, jumpseaters, some at SWA do so as well-- I've seen it; it's simply exemplifying some teamwork-- I'm not below cleaning my aircraft for my customers if it allows for a quicker turn, getting me home sooner!!! Nor am I below helping ground crewmembers with strollers. I'm sorry if we degraded the profession for some, but we've been doing this since day 1 here... We're a different airline and we have unique outstanding pilots here. We're not fools, we just like our jobs and airline that much to contribute to its success-- not like the new generation of people who could care less about performing on their jobs (just look at the customer service around America nowadays)...

Hey bayou bitch. Get back and clean the cabin. Keep up the good work. I'm sure your nose is so far up Barger's ass you can tell what he had for lunch. Way to continue to drag the rest of the profession to your substandard level! Ass wipe!
And as far as the American comment. Let's see how, and if you girls make it for 80+ years. Probably since there are idiots like yourself willing to do it for less!
For the yes voters, my apologies. The comments were directed at the blue bayou's of the company.

 

[N2264J]

Hey bayou bitch. Get back and clean the cabin. Keep up the good work. I'm sure your nose is so far up Barger's ass you can tell what he had for lunch. Way to continue to drag the rest of the profession to your substandard level! Ass wipe!
And as far as the American comment. Let's see how, and if you girls make it for 80+ years. Probably since there are idiots like yourself willing to do it for less!
For the yes voters, my apologies. The comments were directed at the blue bayou's of the company.

Smooth. ALPA smooth!

How can any potential union member resist a sales job like this?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Smooth. ALPA smooth!

How can any potential union member resist a sales job like this?

Well, there's always the sales job (maybe some other job to Dan :blush: ) you girls did to pitch the rjdc!
And we see how successful that was, eh sparky?:laugh: :laugh:

 

[Bluejob]

Looks like industry low pax yields and regional-like 190 payscales will continue.

Part of the reason the once-distinct line between regional and mainline has been made fine.

While I agree that it sucks we didn't vote in the union and also agree the E190 pay is low, it isn't as low as USAirways E190 payscales.

 

[donvag]

As long as USair 190 pay remains low, so will the 190 pay at jetblue.

Im dissapointed at my fellow co-workers.

donvag- 1 out of 646

 

[J32driver]

While I agree that it sucks we didn't vote in the union and also agree the E190 pay is low, it isn't as low as USAirways E190 payscales.

You FRIGGIN morons. Why do you thing USAirways pay on the 190 is so low? Its because they matched JetBlue's original payscale. The pay sucks because we made it that way. If we had a union, we would have had a say. Now we'll just continue to bend over and take it.

 

[hawk996]

Vote tally..

http://www.nmb.gov/electionresults/jetblue-jpa_02-03-09.pdf

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Vote tally..

http://www.nmb.gov/electionresults/jetblue-jpa_02-03-09.pdf

Elegible voters 1937

Votes cast 646


Pathetic!

 

[Blue Dude]

Ill show the same "bargaining leverage" that we have, then the "bargaining leverage" alpa has had i.e giving almost everything back the last 8 years.

the reality is this, when push comes to shove, a CBA or PEA isnt worth the paper its written on. the last 8 years have proven that.

*crickets*

 

[jbucpt]

You FRIGGIN morons. Why do you thing USAirways pay on the 190 is so low? Its because they matched JetBlue's original payscale. The pay sucks because we made it that way. If we had a union, we would have had a say. Now we'll just continue to bend over and take it.

how can this be?? they have a union and must have "BARGAINING LEVERAGE?? oh wait, the pilots got screwed by their ALPA BRETHENS and now its the jetblue pilots fault..........???

 

[Noserider76]

Why wouldn't you want protections that a union can afford?

Because he's got his at the top of the list and he's very afraid, with union representation, some of the C-scalers that allow him that wage may want some of the pie and have the leverage to get it.

Often forgotten in the talk of concessions and imperfect unions is the fact that almost everything that makes this job desireable was achieved by ALPA over a very long period of time. He and every non-ALPA pilot group are the direct beneficiaries of decades of the blood and sweat of ALPA members. Though they benefit from years of pattern bargaining, they and others willing to do this job for much less than the rates others have worked for, are the biggest culprits in the downward spiral of the profession.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well this isn't a surprise. It's actually quite typical for the first union vote. When the union drive begins, the senior pilots earning over $150K/yr usually come out strong against union representation. Their seemingly "educated" comments tend to sway many newer, younger, less experienced pilots who in return vote "no" for union representation.

Management breathes a sigh of relief, the senior pilots go back to their homes with their swimming pools and Merdedes Benz's, and the junior pilots go back to their apartments and crash pads thinking they made a good decision; yet they have a lingering concern in the back of their minds.

The following year, the majority of the pilot group begin to realize that they are not the ones bringing home $150K+ and they are not enjoying the fruits of their labor as much as those who voted against the union. The management continues business as usual; pissing off pilots, abusing work rules, and offering nothing in the way of improvements.

The second attempt at unionization usually passes with an overwhelming majority vote. And it only wasted a couple years, thousands of work hours, and many of your hard earned dollars for the rest of the pilot group to pull their heads out of their butts.

I'm sure someday the exact same process will unfold at my airline.

smells like animal farm....

 

[Daddy]

Smells like somethin

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Anyone at Nortwest/Delta that can confirm or deny the rumor that the names of BOB's is circulating the forums?

If this is true it could be an ugly commute

 

[FLYLOW22]

Guys. Congrats on a good test run.

I have talked to all of my buddies at jB about the vote. All were in favor of a Union but many were concerned about the next chapter if the Union were voted in.

It didn't seem like the pilot group had much confidence in a new Union with no clear agenda or leaders. Many pilots stepped up to organize a vote but many pilots did not know who the actual leaders would be.

I bet the vote for many was a NO simply because they didn't know exactly what YES was a vote for. Sometimes bad in hand is better than the unknown behind door #1.

Organization... clear an simple organization is something to definitely have for the next drive.

And I believe that there WILL be another drive.

Good luck to all. Pay attention to promises made and actually delivered.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Hey bayou bitch. Get back and clean the cabin. Keep up the good work. I'm sure your nose is so far up Barger's ass you can tell what he had for lunch. Way to continue to drag the rest of the profession to your substandard level! Ass wipe!
And as far as the American comment. Let's see how, and if you girls make it for 80+ years. Probably since there are idiots like yourself willing to do it for less!
For the yes voters, my apologies. The comments were directed at the blue bayou's of the company.

Lighten up Francis!!! I have never said I was anti-union. I was anti-JBPA. They never once answered a question I had from how much it would cost to how the organization would be run. They lacked the basics of skills and was for the most part-- disorganized. I wasn't going to jeopardize my career with a bunch of neophites negotiating for their first time, ever. How long was pro-bono lawyers going to last?

Let's face it, many on the Bluepilots website and people like you turned us off with your emotional tirades. If there was a more professional and positive attitude from people like you, the outcome might have been different... But by your response, I see nothing has changed!!!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Lighten up Francis!!! I have never said I was anti-union. I was anti-JBPA. They never once answered a question I had from how much it would cost to how the organization would be run. They lacked the basics of skills and was for the most part-- disorganized. I wasn't going to jeopardize my career with a bunch of neophites negotiating for their first time, ever. How long was pro-bono lawyers going to last?

Let's face it, many on the Bluepilots website and people like you turned us off with your emotional tirades. If there was a more professional and positive attitude from people like you, the outcome might have been different... But by your response, I see nothing has changed!!!

Of course it hasn't. You've got yours and didn't want any of the junior guys sharing in it.
I bet the sunlight hurts when you crawl out from under that rock. Now get back and clean the cabin rugrat.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Lighten up Francis!!! I have never said I was anti-union.

From 2006:

If we had a union, we would be in talks for years to get what the E-190 guys got for a raise. Better yet, how many airlines are giving raises at this time-- ah lets count them, ZERO!!! A unionized airline would have furloughed about 100 pilots this past September/October with the reduction in flight hours. No union thus far has retained anything as far as pay, benefits, pensions, or work rules for many of your so called "Legacy" carriers-- thanks, I'd rather keep my 2-3 percent than give it to those weak "live to fight another day" folks who are supposedly defending our way of life, RIGHT!!! They've done nothing but collapse to company demands time and time again...

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

From CaptainSpaz in 2005:

I used to work for a company that used AAN's certificate. I really liked those guys, and it is my belief that they really tried to run a tight operation. The problem was that every lowlife operator in the country flocks to certificates for hire so they can operate with little or no oversight at their home base. These POS operators generally hire cowboys for operations and cheats for maintinence.

There was only so much they could do to oversee more than 50 aircraft and their crews from St. Louis. I have been saying for a long time that piggy backing on certificates likely will be outlawed sooner than later. It looks like it is coming sooner. I hate to see trouble like this come down on Doug and Steve, though. If ya'll are reading this, take care!

Go Boys!!!

 

[xpdriver]

We Are The Dumbest Pilot Group In The Country!!!!

Good Luck..

 

[ultrarunner]

I belive the split was 67%/33%

100% of the list voted?

That would be precedent-setting!

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Bayou,

I think my point was obvious, what's yours? Cowboys fan, you betcha.

Spaz

 

[Andy Neill]

100% of the list voted?

That would be precedent-setting!

No. 33% voted yes to some union (even one called Silence) and the others didn't vote. The only way to cast a no vote was to not vote for the union. Of the 67%, it is divided among those who didn't bother or those who chose not to have a union.

 

[ultrarunner]

Ok, I guess I wasn't clear in my original posting. What percentage of the list cast a ballot?