Jetblue Pilots Vote Union Down

[HalinTexas]

" We Are The Dumbest Pilot Group In The Country!!!! "

No Sir. You have to earn that Title.

Failure to elect a Union is but a step in your Journey.

Next, you must certify a (joke) "In-House" Union.

After several years of seeing through that idiocy, then you must elect The Teamsters.

But, you will not be there yet, Grasshopper.

No. Next, you must de-certify Teamsters and vote in ALPA. ( This is very difficult, and deserves mention to those who have done so. )

Sorry, you are not quite done.

After many years of B.S. politics pulled by little Boys in your group who like to sark each others Peenies while lying to your face....

Then, you will need to have your Airline fail ( after the 1000th LOA where your "Union" gave them everything, for NOTHING )...And, in The End you will need to suffer one or two indescribable ignominies for no reason.

All of the above must happen, before you can OFFICIALLY claim:

" We Are The Dumbest Pilot Group In The Country!!!!"

Good Luck in your quest to recapture the Title.

Lesser Men have gone before you and have been triumphant.

" It takes a small man to fail spectacularly." - YKMKR

Mark, you forgot the: "Let's recall our MEC Chair Every Year" action that results in nothing better.

Unionizing won't solve all your problems. In fact, it will create more. However, if you do, you need to hold your representation accountable.

 

[jbucpt]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Show me where there was bargaining *at all* at JetBlue for the last almost 10 years. Result: less than industry average in almost every area even after everyone else's concessions.

*crickets*

Ill show the same "bargaining leverage" that we have, then the "bargaining leverage" alpa has had i.e giving almost everything back the last 8 years.

the reality is this, when push comes to shove, a CBA or PEA isnt worth the paper its written on. the last 8 years have proven that.

 

[FBN0223]

My personal action plan.

1. I will never clean another cabin.

Cleaning cabins? Please tell me that cleaning the cabin is not an expected flight crew duty. That would go waaaaay beyond just drinking the kool-aid if Jetblue had pilots and FAs actually walking up and down aisles with garbage bags and vacuum cleaners.

 

[clickclickboom]

Any JB pilot that actually cleans is a fool.. If your inflight is on the ball they will ask you to cover the door while they clean.. By the time the last passenger walks off the plane you barely have time to finish your cockpit duties and walk back with a bag in your hand smiling and asking if anyone needs you to run and get them food before they are finished.

If you are the type that dons blue gloves and dives over seats in view of passengers you need a kick in the nuts.

 

[FDJ2]

delta/nwa seniorty determined by ONE MAN- the
arbitrator...alot of bargaining leverage there.

It was a three man panel, not one, the DAL/NWA pilots will receive between 20-30% pay raises over the course of the contract, with former furloughed NWA pilots receiving longevity credit for their time on furlough and each pilot on the DAL/NWA system seniority list will receive on average 3700 shares (not options) of DAL stock. Considering the fact that we are in the middle of one of the worst recessions in modern history, I think it took some leverage to get that.

 

[viper01]

Well this isn't a surprise. It's actually quite typical for the first union vote. When the union drive begins, the senior pilots earning over $150K/yr usually come out strong against union representation. Their seemingly "educated" comments tend to sway many newer, younger, less experienced pilots who in return vote "no" for union representation.

Management breathes a sigh of relief, the senior pilots go back to their homes with their swimming pools and Merdedes Benz's, and the junior pilots go back to their apartments and crash pads thinking they made a good decision; yet they have a lingering concern in the back of their minds.

The following year, the majority of the pilot group begin to realize that they are not the ones bringing home $150K+ and they are not enjoying the fruits of their labor as much as those who voted against the union. The management continues business as usual; pissing off pilots, abusing work rules, and offering nothing in the way of improvements.

The second attempt at unionization usually passes with an overwhelming majority vote. And it only wasted a couple years, thousands of work hours, and many of your hard earned dollars for the rest of the pilot group to pull their heads out of their butts.

I'm sure someday the exact same process will unfold at my airline.

You're right, this should only be phase 1 of 2 for the union drive....not the end of the drive.

 

[AKAAB]

Guys willing to put in the extra effort is not the issue at all and cleaning has never, ever been mandated. So, can we just put that one to bed, please.

What everyone is talking about is the inevitable WoE - Withdrawal of Enthusiasm. This operation only runs because the pilots continually have to step in to fix organization and operational problems at JetBlue. If the pilots weren't constantly putting out the fires created by poor ramp training and procedures, gate agent failure to know and follow company policy, and spurious Dispatch support this airline would come to a screeching halt - or at least a slow crawl.

For myself, I got tired of using my cell phone three or four times a flight because Mx wouldn't answer either of their frequencies at JFK. Now, if my release needs an amendment, I dutifully send and ACARS and wait instead of calling Dispatch, being transferred to Mx, then back to Dispatch (because they can't seem to communicate across the 25 foot gap between them in the Ops room).

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Any JB pilot that actually cleans is a fool.. If your inflight is on the ball they will ask you to cover the door while they clean.. By the time the last passenger walks off the plane you barely have time to finish your cockpit duties and walk back with a bag in your hand smiling and asking if anyone needs you to run and get them food before they are finished.

If you are the type that dons blue gloves and dives over seats in view of passengers you need a kick in the nuts.

As per the FAM 2-31 no flight deck crewmember may replace a F/A during the deplaning process-- per minimum crew requirements. There must be one F/A at the door during deplaning. If you've been doing this in past, you are in conflict with SOP.

As a cleaning JB pilot-- when time and conditions permit, jumpseaters, some at SWA do so as well-- I've seen it; it's simply exemplifying some teamwork-- I'm not below cleaning my aircraft for my customers if it allows for a quicker turn, getting me home sooner!!! Nor am I below helping ground crewmembers with strollers. I'm sorry if we degraded the profession for some, but we've been doing this since day 1 here... We're a different airline and we have unique outstanding pilots here. We're not fools, we just like our jobs and airline that much to contribute to its success-- not like the new generation of people who could care less about performing on their jobs (just look at the customer service around America nowadays)...

 

[FBN0223]

So let me get this straight, the pilots and FAs do clean the cabin at Jetblue?

 

[AKAAB]

So let me get this straight, the pilots and FAs do clean the cabin at Jetblue?

The F/A's have to clean the cabin on turns. The pilots do not, ever.

Some pilots pitch in to help on turns when they have time and are so inclined.