Jetblue Pilots Vote Union Down

[FLYLOW22]

Guys. Congrats on a good test run.

I have talked to all of my buddies at jB about the vote. All were in favor of a Union but many were concerned about the next chapter if the Union were voted in.

It didn't seem like the pilot group had much confidence in a new Union with no clear agenda or leaders. Many pilots stepped up to organize a vote but many pilots did not know who the actual leaders would be.

I bet the vote for many was a NO simply because they didn't know exactly what YES was a vote for. Sometimes bad in hand is better than the unknown behind door #1.

Organization... clear an simple organization is something to definitely have for the next drive.

And I believe that there WILL be another drive.

Good luck to all. Pay attention to promises made and actually delivered.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Hey bayou bitch. Get back and clean the cabin. Keep up the good work. I'm sure your nose is so far up Barger's ass you can tell what he had for lunch. Way to continue to drag the rest of the profession to your substandard level! Ass wipe!
And as far as the American comment. Let's see how, and if you girls make it for 80+ years. Probably since there are idiots like yourself willing to do it for less!
For the yes voters, my apologies. The comments were directed at the blue bayou's of the company.

Lighten up Francis!!! I have never said I was anti-union. I was anti-JBPA. They never once answered a question I had from how much it would cost to how the organization would be run. They lacked the basics of skills and was for the most part-- disorganized. I wasn't going to jeopardize my career with a bunch of neophites negotiating for their first time, ever. How long was pro-bono lawyers going to last?

Let's face it, many on the Bluepilots website and people like you turned us off with your emotional tirades. If there was a more professional and positive attitude from people like you, the outcome might have been different... But by your response, I see nothing has changed!!!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Lighten up Francis!!! I have never said I was anti-union. I was anti-JBPA. They never once answered a question I had from how much it would cost to how the organization would be run. They lacked the basics of skills and was for the most part-- disorganized. I wasn't going to jeopardize my career with a bunch of neophites negotiating for their first time, ever. How long was pro-bono lawyers going to last?

Let's face it, many on the Bluepilots website and people like you turned us off with your emotional tirades. If there was a more professional and positive attitude from people like you, the outcome might have been different... But by your response, I see nothing has changed!!!

Of course it hasn't. You've got yours and didn't want any of the junior guys sharing in it.
I bet the sunlight hurts when you crawl out from under that rock. Now get back and clean the cabin rugrat.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Lighten up Francis!!! I have never said I was anti-union.

From 2006:

If we had a union, we would be in talks for years to get what the E-190 guys got for a raise. Better yet, how many airlines are giving raises at this time-- ah lets count them, ZERO!!! A unionized airline would have furloughed about 100 pilots this past September/October with the reduction in flight hours. No union thus far has retained anything as far as pay, benefits, pensions, or work rules for many of your so called "Legacy" carriers-- thanks, I'd rather keep my 2-3 percent than give it to those weak "live to fight another day" folks who are supposedly defending our way of life, RIGHT!!! They've done nothing but collapse to company demands time and time again...

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

From CaptainSpaz in 2005:

I used to work for a company that used AAN's certificate. I really liked those guys, and it is my belief that they really tried to run a tight operation. The problem was that every lowlife operator in the country flocks to certificates for hire so they can operate with little or no oversight at their home base. These POS operators generally hire cowboys for operations and cheats for maintinence.

There was only so much they could do to oversee more than 50 aircraft and their crews from St. Louis. I have been saying for a long time that piggy backing on certificates likely will be outlawed sooner than later. It looks like it is coming sooner. I hate to see trouble like this come down on Doug and Steve, though. If ya'll are reading this, take care!

Go Boys!!!

 

[xpdriver]

We Are The Dumbest Pilot Group In The Country!!!!

Good Luck..

 

[ultrarunner]

I belive the split was 67%/33%

100% of the list voted?

That would be precedent-setting!

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Bayou,

I think my point was obvious, what's yours? Cowboys fan, you betcha.

Spaz

 

[Andy Neill]

100% of the list voted?

That would be precedent-setting!

No. 33% voted yes to some union (even one called Silence) and the others didn't vote. The only way to cast a no vote was to not vote for the union. Of the 67%, it is divided among those who didn't bother or those who chose not to have a union.

 

[ultrarunner]

Ok, I guess I wasn't clear in my original posting. What percentage of the list cast a ballot?

 

[Andy Neill]

Ok, I guess I wasn't clear in my original posting. What percentage of the list cast a ballot?

33%...

 

[Frap]

33% put their vote on a ballot which had only one choice, that being a "yes to union" vote. There was no "no" choice on the ballot.

Not casting a vote on the ballot equalled a "no" vote.

 

[ultrarunner]

Ok, that makes sense...

Only 660 pilots voted....

1400 voted no by not voting.

Seems like a pretty strong message.

 

[Andy Neill]

Ok, that makes sense...

Only 660 pilots voted....

1400 voted no by not voting.

Seems like a pretty strong message.

The actual count was
1937 eligible
0 ballots voided
595 for JBPA
49 for ALPA
1 for Silence
1 for UTU (646 total for representation)

Here's the NMB link:
http://www.nmb.gov/electionresults/jetblue-jpa_02-03-09.pdf

 

[Dan Roman]

Anyone at Nortwest/Delta that can confirm or deny the rumor that the names of BOB's is circulating the forums?

If this is true it could be an ugly commute

Only if they were one of the BOB. I have no problem with peoples wide range of opinions on Unions. This is America and we are all entitled to our opinions and beliefs. But keeping a list of pro union pilots is unbelievable. To do what? Rat them out to management so anti-union pilots can upgrade quicker? I don't know, but the concept is so anti-American and Hitler youth mentality that it blows my mind. The right to vote for a union is one of the freedoms we have as Americans. It's one of the many freedoms we enjoy that countless Americans have died for to protect.

 

[Deli Guy]

Where was ALPA as far as stepping in and making their pitch? When the interest cards were submitted, I expected ALPA to set up some type of informational meetings to recruit for ALPA. Why did that not happen? I really respect the JBPA guys, but I had hoped ALPA would show some interest in the process.

 

[radarlove]

ALPA is very weak-d!ck when it comes to organizing new groups. They demand an overwhelming majority of postcards (the first phase) before they'll even consider "accepting" the new pilot group into the fold, there's never talk these days of actually doing a real organizing drive.

In this case, they probably weren't willing to touch it with a ten-foot pole, there was probably only a 33% card campaign.

ALPA is dying a slow death because they are resting on laurels that are two decades old. I'm already hearing of budget cuts because of the unions that have left the fold.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I have talked to all of my buddies at jB about the vote. All were in favor of a Union but many were concerned about the next chapter if the Union were voted in.

It didn't seem like the pilot group had much confidence in a new Union with no clear agenda or leaders. Many pilots stepped up to organize a vote but many pilots did not know who the actual leaders would be.

I bet the vote for many was a NO simply because they didn't know exactly what YES was a vote for. Sometimes bad in hand is better than the unknown behind door #1.

Organization... clear an simple organization is something to definitely have for the next drive. .

This is actually quite pathetic.

We call ourselves Americans?

We call ourselves professional pilots?

We don't don't know to self motivate? Self legislate? Self govern?

What is the fear? that we will all have to actually do something?

Did those who vote for union representation at jetblue expect someone else to do all the work?

People do not reject the status quo unless change is perceived to better....

I thought we lived in America.... you know the greatest democracy in the world... self rule, self government....


The next chapter after voting in a union is manning up and taking control of your careers....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ALPA is very weak-d!ck when it comes to organizing new groups. They demand an overwhelming majority of postcards (the first phase) before they'll even consider "accepting" the new pilot group into the fold, there's never talk these days of actually doing a real organizing drive.

Why should ALPA spend dues money trying to organize a pilot group that is on the fence or clearly doesn't want ALPA?

In this case, they probably weren't willing to touch it with a ten-foot pole, there was probably only a 33% card campaign.

ALPA burned allot of bridges with TWA and USAIR pilots now at jb..... make sense?

ALPA is dying a slow death because they are resting on laurels that are two decades old. I'm already hearing of budget cuts because of the unions that have left the fold.

Not sure about that.... with FX and CAL back, I say the APA comes back to ALPA within 20 years....

As adamant as the APA currently is not to be ALPA, 20 years is relatively close.... what will push the APA to ALPA is the the international market threats...

foreign ownership, cabatoge, work visas for Mexicans to fly our jets...

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Be careful what you wish for, gents. You just may get it.