Jetblue Pilots Vote Union Down

[Whine Lover]

" We're not fools, we just like our jobs... "


1) In this rare instance most Pilots and ALL of Management would be able to agree on something...That being, to disagree with the first part of the above statement.


2) I believe Ty Webb referenced your type quite correctly in another recent post.


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YKMKR

 

[GogglesPisano]

I'm not below cleaning my aircraft for my customers if it allows for a quicker turn, getting me home sooner!!!..

I'll mention that to the surgeon who lives next door. "Hey, maybe if you clean up the OR you'll get home sooner and you'll make your customer happy."

Image is everything.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

I agree with some of this. You are a sorry MFer. You have degraded and helped destroy this profession. There is nothing unique or outstanding except your willingness to work more for less. And yes, you are fools. Do you really think the rest of us would have taken the severe cuts to pay, benefits, pension etc IF there had not been a template?? You were the template. ******************** pay, work rules, no pension, high insurance premimums etc. My personal opinion is that ALPA, APA, IPA, SWAPA etc. should come out as a unified voice and say "no union, no jumpseat". There should be punishment for this. For those that voted yes, maybe there could be some sort of non active member card so those that fought the good fight won't have to struggle to get to work.

As per the FAM 2-31 no flight deck crewmember may replace a F/A during the deplaning process-- per minimum crew requirements. There must be one F/A at the door during deplaning. If you've been doing this in past, you are in conflict with SOP.

As a cleaning JB pilot-- when time and conditions permit, jumpseaters, some at SWA do so as well-- I've seen it; it's simply exemplifying some teamwork-- I'm not below cleaning my aircraft for my customers if it allows for a quicker turn, getting me home sooner!!! Nor am I below helping ground crewmembers with strollers. I'm sorry if we degraded the profession for some, but we've been doing this since day 1 here... We're a different airline and we have unique outstanding pilots here. We're not fools, we just like our jobs and airline that much to contribute to its success-- not like the new generation of people who could care less about performing on their jobs (just look at the customer service around America nowadays)...

 

[Whine Lover]

" I'm sorry if we degraded the profession..."

Yes, you are sorry.


YKMKR

 

[Whine Lover]

" we've been doing this since day 1 here..."

Mr. Bayou, I believe it is customary in your "neck of the woods" to diddle your Sisters, Mothers, Cousins, and smaller Barnyard animals, and that also has been going on since Day 1 down there.....But, that don't make it right now do it?

YKMKR

 

[Bringupthebird]

We Are The Dumbest Pilot Group In The Country!!!!

There are 1800 pilots who would disagree with you, and think there is a group of 3000 that have you beat by a mile. :laugh:

 

[FBN0223]

I agree with some of this. You are a sorry MFer. You have degraded and helped destroy this profession. There is nothing unique or outstanding except your willingness to work more for less. And yes, you are fools. Do you really think the rest of us would have taken the severe cuts to pay, benefits, pension etc IF there had not been a template?? You were the template. ******************** pay, work rules, no pension, high insurance premimums etc. My personal opinion is that ALPA, APA, IPA, SWAPA etc. should come out as a unified voice and say "no union, no jumpseat". There should be punishment for this. For those that voted yes, maybe there could be some sort of non active member card so those that fought the good fight won't have to struggle to get to work.

Agree. Really too bad that the 30% of JB pilots who do recognize the importance of collective bargaining and voted "yes" will be placed on the same status as an adamant "no" voter.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

On another thread a JB pilot mentioned a list of pilots who were the most anti union. I believe it is called band of blue. That might be the way to deny jumpseats to the true offenders without punishing the guys that tried.

Agree. Really too bad that the 30% of JB pilots who do recognize the importance of collective bargaining and voted "yes" will be placed on the same status as an adamant "no" voter.

 

[hawk996]

Blue Bayou is a member of the "Band of Blue". Go clean the cabin boy wonder.....

You like being the pivot man at the company circle jerk don't ya???

If the MCO base goes away, your life as a commuter will be hell.....But hey your based at home and you only care about yourself, so don't worry about the rest of us.

Enjoy your Barger money shot in 3....2....1...... Good Boy.

 

[On Your Six]

bargaining leverage??? where have you been the last 8 years einstein?? please explain:

united pilots bargaining leverage the last 8 years..

usair pilots bargaining leverage??

twa pilots bargaining leverage??

delta/nwa seniorty determined by ONE MAN- the
arbitrator...alot of bargaining leverage there.

airtrans bargaining leverage under the RLA the last 4+ years.

yeah, im impressed with the "bargaining leverage" that airline unions have had the last 8 years.

Let me guess which way you voted. What J-Rod says is true. You need collective bargaining to ensure you are treated fairly - that's a fact. Why wouldn't you want protections that a union can afford? Sure, unions aren't a perfect solution and their leaders are by no means saints. Still, I'd rather have a union supporting me and using its bargaining leverage when possible. SWA has a great union. DAL/NWA had two effective unions - they fought for their respective positions and lobbied the arbitrator effectively for a compromise (it would have been more complex had one airline not had a union - think of it that way). As J-Rod mentioned, Netjets pilots have done very well with their union and they negotiated a great package that Management would have NEVER agreed to without the union's negotiating leverage.

Jet Blue has sub standard benefits (terrible healthcare package) and OK wages. I doubt you will make much progress on those items (once the economy improves) without negotiating leverage. I remeber a former Jet Blue pilot who now flies for Netjets once told me that Jet Blue is the "Wal-Mart" of the industry in terms of pay/benefits. That wasn't a great or loving endorsement. I agree that the decision to vote it down was a strategic blunder from a long-term perspective (the economy will not allow much short-term benefit anyway). Kudos to the guys who tried to pass it unsuccessfully. Keep up the fight or leave... That's my opinion.