JetBlue class dates

[$$$4nothin]

The class that started today has 4 guys in it. 2 military, 1 Horizon capt, 1 CHQ capt.

They are being told the next class will have 10-12 in it and starts in 3 weeks. All new hires today went JFK 190. As a lot of seat locks are expireing and a lot of guys want to go to the BUS I would expect to go to the 190 if you are hired here in the next year or so. Based on the supplemental system bid that came out today I am expecting hiring to pick up significantly in the future.

For those of you wondering there are 39 upgrades on it and 32 open FO spots on it. So it looks like there are going to need to be at least 71 new hires that will come from this.

Good luck to all.

 

[bocaflyer]

For those of you wondering there are 39 upgrades on it and 32 open FO spots on it. So it looks like there are going to need to be at least 71 new hires that will come from this.

Good luck to all.

Thanks a million guys. Keep the info coming. Arms and legs are getting tired.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Actually got some new, more exact info last night. There are currently 10 guys in training. The training department is going to train 45 more guys by years end. The number for next year is 120-150 guys. These numbers are based purely on growth so there could be more if more guys than expected take recall somewhere else. ie. Delta.

Apparently some delivery dates are getting moved up which is causing this training based purely on growth. Based on these numbers the pool will be totally empty by late spring and new hires from interviews by next summer. No word on when interviews might start back up but my guess would be next year.

This is just the info I am getting from OSC so take it for what it is worth, but I would be willing to bet I am correct plus or minus 10 guys.

 

[kellwolf]

Actually got some new, more exact info last night. There are currently 10 guys in training. The training department is going to train 45 more guys by years end. The number for next year is 120-150 guys. These numbers are based purely on growth so there could be more if more guys than expected take recall somewhere else. ie. Delta.

Apparently some delivery dates are getting moved up which is causing this training based purely on growth. Based on these numbers the pool will be totally empty by late spring and new hires from interviews by next summer. No word on when interviews might start back up but my guess would be next year.

This is just the info I am getting from OSC so take it for what it is worth, but I would be willing to bet I am correct plus or minus 10 guys.

Good news. Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll be seeing you guys over there by the end of the year now.

 

[Blue Dude]

Health care premiums and deductibles (but not coverage) are more than doubling for 2013, and the plans were already nearly the most expensive industry wide. You're looking at more than $300 per month to cover your family on the cheapest plan, with a $2600 deductible and a $6000 out of pocket limit (which doesn't include premiums, deductibles or prescriptions). Dental, vision, and short term disability are extra. I have no idea how a new FO is going to afford that.

Sure you still want to work here?

 

[B6Busdriver]

Read it and weep. I can no longer recommend anyone to work here unless you are unemployed.

http://staging.lifeisbetterinblue.com/blog/health-care/medical/medical/

 

[$$$4nothin]

I have no idea how a new FO is going to afford that.

Sure you still want to work here?

I would suggest being debt free. Now I would suggest that to anyone, but I can assure you it makes the first year pay cut you will take a lot easier. Being debt free I was able to live descently and still put an extra 1K into savings each month. My wife also works so that helps a lot. Now there is a guy in my pad with a large family, and lots of debt currently on first year pay and he is struggleing to say the least.

Just to give everyone some more info to make the best decision possible. With 5% into 401k, dental, vision, std, ltd, BPF, and the least expensive medical plan with an extra $50/mo going towards an HSA my paychecks were $1250 take home each pay check. This is at min garuntee and almost zero perdium each month. On reserve don't ever plan on breaking garuntee. In my first year of reserve the most I ever flew was 39 hours.

We all have to make choices based on our own lives, so I suggest you get as much info as possible, pay off as much debt as possible, bank as much as possible in savings and choose wisely.

 

[MD80DRVR]

With these new healthcare plans, I would wait to go anywhere else but here. JetBlue has obviously decided to build this company on the employee's backs.

 

[Blue Dude]

I would suggest being debt free.

That's good advice for anyone, but it won't make up for having your premiums double, thereby consuming more than 10% of a new hire's gross pay. There's just no getting around that. Don't make it like some lifestyle issue that you can mitigate with clean living. We're way beyond chipping in our share and being wise health care consumers and into employee rape territory.

 

[JJthejetplane]

It's very sad what management has decided to do to the employees. Unfortunately, I think this will be the issue that completely destroys what (positive) culture we have left at JetBlue. This will change the company for ever . . .

 

[StarChecker]

Read it and weep. I can no longer recommend anyone to work here unless you are unemployed.

http://staging.lifeisbetterinblue.com/blog/health-care/medical/medical/

Amazing how you suddenly need a password to access this site now. If it's such good news, why is it a secret? Even current employees don't have the access.

But wow....thank god we're not paying dues....

We should be negotiating our first CBA...not watching this abortion from the sidelines....but it's what 1193 myopic fools wanted.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Completely agree with you that paying 10% of your gross pay to medical bennies is a d

That's good advice for anyone, but it won't make up for having your premiums double, thereby consuming more than 10% of a new hire's gross pay. There's just no getting around that. Don't make it like some lifestyle issue that you can mitigate with clean living. We're way beyond chipping in our share and being wise health care consumers and into employee rape territory.

Completely agree with you that paying 10% of your gross pay to medical bennies is a disgusting disgrace. It's just as bad as Continental not giving medical bennies for 6 months. Very sad. That being said, you can mitigate our medical plan issues by living a very clean lifestyle. It is a disgrace that you have to do this, but you can.

I am in no way saying this is right in any way for you, nor do I think it is right that I have to do this. However if anyone cares this is how I do it.
1. I am young, healthy, non smoker, and my wife has her own bennies. I use the least expensive medical plan we currently have.
2. I have an emergency fund that is large enough to cover the extreme deductible that goes along with this plan in case I get hit by a bus.
3. I also have a 6 month emergeny fund that could pay for all my living expenses for 6-12 months if I go on STD, LTD.
4. I put $700 (tax free) plus the company's match of $250 which will increase to $400 next year into my HSA to cover small issues. This takes care of very small issues.

This is how a very clean living can mitigate our very high health care costs.
So I pay $67/mo for my actual medical plan which is basically a just in case you get hit by a bus plan. This also only really works if you are single (or wife has bennies), healthy, and kids aren't in the plans.

Just some info for the new guys on the way here. Like I said, live debt free, and save as much as possible while you can for all the guys on the way here.

 

[$$$4nothin]

It's very sad what management has decided to do to the employees. Unfortunately, I think this will be the issue that completely destroys what (positive) culture we have left at JetBlue. This will change the company for ever . . .

Yes it is very unfortunate. It doesn't seem to matter what they do, it won't move the stock price. Therefore why not just say screw the stock price for now and keep the employees happy and keep the earinings up and culture good. I guess I just don't understand corporate greed though.

 

[viper01]

It's very sad what management has decided to do to the employees. Unfortunately, I think this will be the issue that completely destroys what (positive) culture we have left at JetBlue. This will change the company for ever . . .

This+1

 

[flyhawk]

Totally Agree

It's very sad what management has decided to do to the employees. Unfortunately, I think this will be the issue that completely destroys what (positive) culture we have left at JetBlue. This will change the company for ever . . .

I don't even use the medical benefits here at JB, but this one issue upsets me so much (even moreso than the subpar retirement) that I will definitely give my thumbs up to whatever union vote heads our way. By the way, shouldn't the card campaign be in swing by now? Maybe I've missed it somewhere.....Any info? Thanks.