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[CapnVegetto]

American Eagle handled 700 the year I was hired there. It was just over 700 actually.

I don't know about the big boys, but I find it hard to believe that they couldn't handle what a regional could.

Necessity is the mother of invention, right?

 

[Flyby1206]

Yea exact numbers arent the issue, but instead of having two major airline training facilities (NWA+DAL) you are left with just one training center and double the fleet types/training events on a normal day, without factoring in big retirements. Has the DAL training staff/campus doubled in size over the recent years?

 

[CapnVegetto]

Yea exact numbers arent the issue, but instead of having two major airline training facilities (NWA+DAL) you are left with just one training center and double the fleet types/training events on a normal day, without factoring in big retirements. Has the DAL training staff/campus doubled in size over the recent years?

Good point, but there are ways around that, such as renting sim time from independant companies, etc.

There is going to be TONS of hiring from everybody. Even if they could only handle 300-400 a year, then they will have to shrink by that many per year. Numbers are numbers bro.

There are two choices: shrink, or start hiring sooner and prepare for it. What will they do? Who knows, but one thing we can probably all agree on is that historically, airilne managers have a complete lack of foresight. If they get to that point, it's going to be more like 'HOLY $HIT!!!!! WE'RE LOSING 700 A YEAR AND WE CAN ONLY TRAIN 400!!! OH MY GOD WHAT DO WE DO!!!! WE DIDN'T SEE THIS COMING!!!'

We'll see I guess.

 

[Flyby1206]

Good point, but there are ways around that, such as renting sim time from independant companies, etc.

There is going to be TONS of hiring from everybody. Even if they could only handle 300-400 a year, then they will have to shrink by that many per year. Numbers are numbers bro.

There are two choices: shrink, or start hiring sooner and prepare for it. What will they do? Who knows, but one thing we can probably all agree on is that historically, airilne managers have a complete lack of foresight. If they get to that point, it's going to be more like 'HOLY $HIT!!!!! WE'RE LOSING 700 A YEAR AND WE CAN ONLY TRAIN 400!!! OH MY GOD WHAT DO WE DO!!!! WE DIDN'T SEE THIS COMING!!!'

We'll see I guess.

I totally agree with ya about numbers being numbers. We drool over the 1000's of anticipatced retirements and assume that they will all be replaced on a 1-1 ratio. My worry is that the legacy managers make a big scene and cry about not being able to handle it. Then they go to the unions and say "Look we will have to shrink by 30% or we can contract Mesa/Skyw/RAH to fly E190s/717s/etc to keep us afloat." Bye bye scope?

 

[CapnVegetto]

Hopefully the unions will tell them exactly what appendage to stick in what oriface.

 

[sligo1]

Hired in 2010... Bidding 60 ish out of 170+ as a BOS fo...not really interested in starting over again...you know investors buy low and sell high....forecasts are just that...greener grass....yeah. let me tell you a story about the uniforms in my closet...

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That's great you think 60 out 0f 170 is a good spot. ( you are obviously 190 F.O.). You my friend will never upgrade. That is the cold hard truth. You can't even hold a 320 spot, but if you did you would be on reserve in BOS. Good luck with the not interested in starting over thing.

 

[pilotpayne]

That's great you think 60 out 0f 170 is a good spot. ( you are obviously 190 F.O.). You my friend will never upgrade. That is the cold hard truth. You can't even hold a 320 spot, but if you did you would be on reserve in BOS. Good luck with the not interested in starting over thing.

I am sure he could hold a line on the 320.
He is allowed to have an opinion no need to be a prick.
Maybe if we get a union he would be able to upgrade.

 

[av8tor4239]

That's great you think 60 out 0f 170 is a good spot. ( you are obviously 190 F.O.). You my friend will never upgrade. That is the cold hard truth. You can't even hold a 320 spot, but if you did you would be on reserve in BOS. Good luck with the not interested in starting over thing.

I can hold a good line on the 320 in jfk and bos...would be 70% in the 320... I choose qol...enjoy your island red eye ******************************...

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[Smarta$$]

That's great you think 60 out 0f 170 is a good spot. ( you are obviously 190 F.O.). You my friend will never upgrade. That is the cold hard truth. You can't even hold a 320 spot, but if you did you would be on reserve in BOS. Good luck with the not interested in starting over thing.

Why will he not upgrade? Because of retirements? Tell me, how did he get to 60 out of 170 with no retirements..... I suppose you will tell us that trend is now reversing course...

 

[CapnVegetto]

That's great you think 60 out 0f 170 is a good spot. ( you are obviously 190 F.O.). You my friend will never upgrade. That is the cold hard truth. You can't even hold a 320 spot, but if you did you would be on reserve in BOS. Good luck with the not interested in starting over thing.

What a crock. Not even close to reality.

He'd hold a solid line on the 320 in BOS or JFK.

Wow, some people are so bitter it's just sad.

 

[BeachBummer]

I read that one CA747 retirement causes 8-12 training cycles withing the NWA fleet. That was afew years back. Hope they're planning ahead.

 

[sligo1]

What a crock. Not even close to reality.

He'd hold a solid line on the 320 in BOS or JFK.

Wow, some people are so bitter it's just sad.

Ok this person at 60 on the E190 BOS would sit approx 125 on the 320 in BOS. At that senority you are correct, he would hold a line. All redeyes island turns and never see a weekend or most likely a holiday off. Great QOL

 

[n757st]

Ok this person at 60 on the E190 BOS would sit approx 125 on the 320 in BOS. At that senority you are correct, he would hold a line. All redeyes island turns and never see a weekend or most likely a holiday off. Great QOL

Dude, quit now because you are talking out of your a$$ and you know it. We know, not a lot of retirements at JetBlue, and that might impact what younger pilots here do ref: whether we stay or go. We get that we need a union, Already on that boat, but lying about things like seniority progression, (yes lying) makes you sound foolish and takes away from our effort.

So, here's the reality. I doubt we will retire at JetBlue, we will from some acquiring career, and smarta$$, before you chime in name me one single airline that has gone without a merger in 30 years.... But at JetBlue I retire #1, and at 60 if we only recieve aircraft currently on order ( 35 years without another order... Doubt it) I'll be sitting about 150 out of 2000+ airbus captains. Hardly struggling to find QOL or seniority.

 

[sligo1]

Why will he not upgrade? Because of retirements? Tell me, how did he get to 60 out of 170 with no retirements..... I suppose you will tell us that trend is now reversing course...

No reversing trend. The 190 growth in BOS grew the 190 base from about 30 in each seat back in 2006-07 to the 170 today. The movement has been lots of F.O.'s that sat right seat on the 190 vacating to the 320. The most junoir upgrade on the 190 is high 1600. Between 1300-1600 there are tons of pilots waiting upgrade to hold a good line. The number of deliveries in the near future don't reflect an upgrade anywhere near the 2000 range. Its just math.

 

[n757st]

No reversing trend. The 190 growth in BOS grew the 190 base from about 30 in each seat back in 2006-07 to the 170 today. The movement has been lots of F.O.'s that sat right seat on the 190 vacating to the 320. The most junoir upgrade on the 190 is high 1600. Between 1300-1600 there are tons of pilots waiting upgrade to hold a good line. The number of deliveries in the near future don't reflect an upgrade anywhere near the 2000 range. Its just math.

2000 seniority guys are probably looking at 2-3 years before they can hod a reserve capt slot and 4 years until a lineholding position. Almost all deliveries going forward are Airbuses, and many current 190 capts will transition to the bus. I roughly figure my numbers because with attrition (their arrogance likely doesn't figure enough, I think attrition will be rampant starting 2014) we plan to hire 250/ year indefinitely starting in 2013 through indefinitely. As for 320 line holdin capt... Let's just say it'll be a while. 5-8 years? for a guy in the 2000-2100 seniority range.

 

[sligo1]

2000 seniority guys are probably looking at 2-3 years before they can hod a reserve capt slot and 4 years until a lineholding position. Almost all deliveries going forward are Airbuses, and many current 190 capts will transition to the bus. I roughly figure my numbers because with attrition (their arrogance likely doesn't figure enough, I think attrition will be rampant starting 2014) we plan to hire 250/ year indefinitely starting in 2013 through indefinitely. As for 320 line holdin capt... Let's just say it'll be a while. 5-8 years? for a guy in the 2000-2100 seniority range.

So between 1300 and 2000 equals 700 pilots. Lets say 2/3 want to upgrade. That equals 425 / 7 per plane = 60 aircraft. Really 2-3 year upgrade. Who's lying now. Get off the crack pipe. Oh by the way there are many sen. F.O.'s in LGB, MCO and FLL that don't even equate in the above numbers. 55 aircraft between now and 2016( No lease returns figured in which is likely). Your math is very fuzzy. You can be happy here thats good-but don't mislead. Attrition is a variable that has no value at current. I saw the best of times prior 9/11 that quickley ended. Once again goodluck.

 

[gearjockey]

Ok this person at 60 on the E190 BOS would sit approx 125 on the 320 in BOS. At that senority you are correct, he would hold a line. All redeyes island turns and never see a weekend or most likely a holiday off. Great QOL

Y don't you f%% off. Worry about your self. You're not helping him or yourself. Never seen a place that eats their young like JB. Not even Algt or Spirit engages in this kind of ********************e.

 

[sligo1]

Y don't you f%% off. Worry about your self. You're not helping him or yourself. Never seen a place that eats their young like JB. Not even Algt or Spirit engages in this kind of ********************e.

Why are you so pissed off at me its just the truth. Airline senority is all about when your hired, nothing else. Nothing personal just numbers. You want to rell me to f off. Won't go there little girl take your skirt off.

 

[sligo1]

Y don't you f%% off. Worry about your self. You're not helping him or yourself. Never seen a place that eats their young like JB. Not even Algt or Spirit engages in this kind of ********************e.

By the way eatting their young? Been there and done it at AA.

 

[Smarta$$]

Y don't you f%% off. Worry about your self. You're not helping him or yourself. Never seen a place that eats their young like JB. Not even Algt or Spirit engages in this kind of ********************e.

You are totally misunderstanding these guys. They don't care about anyone else or the careers of others. They care only about themselves. They are using thier rhetoric as a strategy to starve the company of new hires, cause attrition and embarrass our pilots into voting for a union. It is NOTHING more than that. Period.

 

[sligo1]

You are totally misunderstanding these guys. They don't care about anyone else or the careers of others. They care only about themselves. They are using thier rhetoric as a strategy to starve the company of new hires, cause attrition and embarrass our pilots into voting for a union. It is NOTHING more than that. Period.

I guess your non-union, Simply naive.

 

[Smarta$$]

I am pro- union.

 

[n757st]

So between 1300 and 2000 equals 700 pilots. Lets say 2/3 want to upgrade. That equals 425 / 7 per plane = 60 aircraft. Really 2-3 year upgrade. Who's lying now. Get off the crack pipe. Oh by the way there are many sen. F.O.'s in LGB, MCO and FLL that don't even equate in the above numbers. 55 aircraft between now and 2016( No lease returns figured in which is likely). Your math is very fuzzy. You can be happy here thats good-but don't mislead. Attrition is a variable that has no value at current. I saw the best of times prior 9/11 that quickley ended. Once again goodluck.

I said 2 to 3 years more till upgrade. Considering junior capt is 1650ish a 2000 seniority guy might see a reserve 190 slot come up 2-3 years from now. I don't think that is remotely out of the question especially considering the attrition we will face in the further.

 

[sligo1]

I said 2 to 3 years more till upgrade. Considering junior capt is 1650ish a 2000 seniority guy might see a reserve 190 slot come up 2-3 years from now. I don't think that is remotely out of the question especially considering the attrition we will face in the further.

Anything is possible you are correct about that. Truce we can agree to disagree. The attrition will take place mostly in the bottom half of the senority list. I have an AA number and there are about 125 more at JB. About another 100 Delta. Most have been here a while and hold 320 CA. I know quite a few and haven't heard too many leaving. Time will tell how it plays out.

 

[n757st]

Anything is possible you are correct about that. Truce we can agree to disagree. The attrition will take place mostly in the bottom half of the senority list. I have an AA number and there are about 125 more at JB. About another 100 Delta. Most have been here a while and hold 320 CA. I know quite a few and haven't heard too many leaving. Time will tell how it plays out.

True. I think the DAL recalls will be very telling. Rumors are 60-90 guys with numbers and I would not be surprised if 75% went back. Even if they are a 320 capts, if they are under 50 I would be shocked if they stayed.

 

[sligo1]

True. I think the DAL recalls will be very telling. Rumors are 60-90 guys with numbers and I would not be surprised if 75% went back. Even if they are a 320 capts, if they are under 50 I would be shocked if they stayed.

I would be shocked as well, but the 10 or 12 that I have run across all say staying. I was taken back with the new TA and retirement numbers. A 40+ year old could leave J.B. and retire a widebody CA. Everyone has a different agenda I guess.

 

[sligo1]

I am pro- union.

Glad to hear that. J.B. isn't a terrible place at all to work. We could just get the protections and benefits we all deserve.

 

[B6Busdriver]

True. I think the DAL recalls will be very telling. Rumors are 60-90 guys with numbers and I would not be surprised if 75% went back. Even if they are a 320 capts, if they are under 50 I would be shocked if they stayed.

No way are there 60-90 guys here from DL. I would be surprised if there is more than 10.

 

[gearjockey]

No way are there 60-90 guys here from DL. I would be surprised if there is more than 10.

You haven't a clue, really. Call training, they'll tell you.

 

[B6Busdriver]

You haven't a clue, really. Call training, they'll tell you.

We'll see genius. I suppose in your world we have 200 pilots in the Fed Ex pool too.