JetBlue class dates

[BeachBummer]

I have a friend who is number 60 in the pool. By your math he should be called for the next class. I will let you know if you are correct. Don't hold your breath.

I think you just like to see yourself type. Your so busy being a smarta$$ you don't even realize when people agree with you... Good luck to your buddy.

 

[BeachBummer]

Do most pilots at Jetblue see this place as career type of place or just a job until something else comes along? I understand there is a younger pilot group over there and upgrades will take a long time due to lack of retirements or attrition. Also,what is best way to find out of upcoming job fairs at there Orlando facility, I live about 5 minutes from there.

The "magic" time for jetblue was to be hired in or before 2006. Whether or not this place is for you is and if you want to stay for the long haul is personal.

Between now and 2022 there will only be about 115 forced retirements. So if you simply look at attrition there is not much movement. We still have a good set of planes on order(+/-100ish), and the plan is to have 6-8% increase in ASM year over year. The company has a history of letting older planes go as new ones come onto property, so don't take the purchase of planes as an increase.

There are guys that are looking to get out from all seniority levels. There are also lots of guys that are perfectly happy here. We have issues here that need to be addressed, but over all it's a good working environment.

I keep my apps out, and if I were to be hired tomorrow by DAL or FEDEX I'd have a really hard time not making the jump. The difference in retirement alone is a lifestyle at the end of career.

goodluck

 

[Flyby1206]

Or, they like their job. That could also be the case sir.

I love my job and I honestly loved my job when I flew for a regional too, but I left because of crappy pay and work rules. I will do the same at jetblue if/when an opportunity at better pay/work rules presents itself. People who stay here soley because they "love" their job are in for a big letdown when they find out their job doesnt love them.

As far as upgrade or progression, we have some retirements further down the road, we have growth (aircraft orders are big, while returning almost no airplanes these days) and we have attrition.

All true statements, but to add some color to that... We have 169 retirements over the next 10 years. That equates to ~7% of our current seniority list. Places like AA/US/DAL/UA have 40-50% retirements over the same time frame. But yes you are correct, we have a few retirements down the road. We do have growth, like we hashed out in an earlier thread aircraft deliveries dont necessarily mean more block hours flying. But yes, we have been averaging 2-6% block hour growth Y-O-Y for the past 5 years. Attrition exists as well! I have been here 1.5yrs and moved up 15 numbers during that time.

I fly with VERY FEW people who actually entertain leaving JetBlue, contrary to the picture you paint.

You are correct, there hasnt been a mass exodus like in 2007 largely in part because UA/DL/AA arent hiring/recalling.

 

[Smarta$$]

Why would we open the application window?

Also the "company says" ... That is funny

The "company said" in recurrent last year we would hire 250 + pilots in 2012.

Still waiting for you to quote a post were I lied.

You are all velocity and no vector rookie and you guard this web board like someone who sticks up for their girl friends honor even though everyone else knows she is smoking the football team.

This is actually a pretty funny post. I give you credit for that.

 

[CapnVegetto]

There's a lot of arguing here, but as with most things, the reality of the situation is somewhere in the middle. My opinion:

This job is better than ANY regional. Period. Either seat. Just look at the payrates, B6 FO scale is higher than any Captain scale at pretty much any regional. Translation: You will make as much or more money in the right seat here then in the left seat at any regional. You can NEVER upgrade, and you will still do better than you will at a regional, not even counting premium pay.

There will be movement here, but it will be mostly to attrition. We are growing, but at Dave Barger pace. that means we are growing slower than molasses in winter. Barger seems incapable of doing ANYTHING other than New York to Florida. If he continues, he is going to saturate the market to the point to where we start competing with ourselves.

The operation is really stupid sometimes. They do a lot of stupid things, from the disasters of the past, to the BDL thing, to sending planes to Florida during a tropical storm just recently, with a system chief pilot sitting behind a damn desk thousands of miles away saying 'everything is fine'. I really fear that it is only a matter of time before something really bad happens. I just hope nobody dies.

Benefits suck a$$. Most expensive health insurance in the industry BY FAR. I pay double what I paid at a regional for full coverage. Retirement just improved some, but it is still behind. PTO accrual is significantly lower than it should be. STD and LTD are a serious pain.

If you are junior, your schedule will suck. You will fly nothing but a bunch of $hitty unproductive redeye crap ion the 320. Due to the lack of retirements and slow growth, you can expect $hitty trips on the bus for a long time. The 190 is a much better airplane to be junior on, at least in my opinion.

Summary: Don't believe the idiots that act like this place is a Vietnamese sweatshop putting Reeboks together. It's not. You'll make a good living, and even the $hitty trips are better than banging out 5-6 legs a day in a freaking RJ only to finish in an 8 hour overnight. However, when you compare B6 to Delta, WN, UniCAl, FEDEX, UPS, i.e. all the big boys, you're a MORON if you pass a job up there for B6. It's a stepping stone, period. Come here and cool your heels in a nice Airbus before jumping to one of the big boys. If something happens and you get stuck here, you'll be WAY better off than being stuck at a fricking regional.

Have fun and good luck.

 

[Flyby1206]

There's a lot of arguing here, but as with most things, the reality of the situation is somewhere in the middle. My opinion:

This job is better than ANY regional. Period. Either seat. Just look at the payrates, B6 FO scale is higher than any Captain scale at pretty much any regional. Translation: You will make as much or more money in the right seat here then in the left seat at any regional. You can NEVER upgrade, and you will still do better than you will at a regional, not even counting premium pay.

There will be movement here, but it will be mostly to attrition. We are growing, but at Dave Barger pace. that means we are growing slower than molasses in winter. Barger seems incapable of doing ANYTHING other than New York to Florida. If he continues, he is going to saturate the market to the point to where we start competing with ourselves.

The operation is really stupid sometimes. They do a lot of stupid things, from the disasters of the past, to the BDL thing, to sending planes to Florida during a tropical storm just recently, with a system chief pilot sitting behind a damn desk thousands of miles away saying 'everything is fine'. I really fear that it is only a matter of time before something really bad happens. I just hope nobody dies.

Benefits suck a$$. Most expensive health insurance in the industry BY FAR. I pay double what I paid at a regional for full coverage. Retirement just improved some, but it is still behind. PTO accrual is significantly lower than it should be. STD and LTD are a serious pain.

If you are junior, your schedule will suck. You will fly nothing but a bunch of $hitty unproductive redeye crap ion the 320. Due to the lack of retirements and slow growth, you can expect $hitty trips on the bus for a long time. The 190 is a much better airplane to be junior on, at least in my opinion.

Summary: Don't believe the idiots that act like this place is a Vietnamese sweatshop putting Reeboks together. It's not. You'll make a good living, and even the $hitty trips are better than banging out 5-6 legs a day in a freaking RJ only to finish in an 8 hour overnight. However, when you compare B6 to Delta, WN, UniCAl, FEDEX, UPS, i.e. all the big boys, you're a MORON if you pass a job up there for B6. It's a stepping stone, period. Come here and cool your heels in a nice Airbus before jumping to one of the big boys. If something happens and you get stuck here, you'll be WAY better off than being stuck at a fricking regional.

Have fun and good luck.

Great post, this sums it up perfectly

 

[Splert]

There's a lot of arguing here, but as with most things, the reality of the situation is somewhere in the middle. My opinion:

This job is better than ANY regional. Period. Either seat. Just look at the payrates, B6 FO scale is higher than any Captain scale at pretty much any regional. Translation: You will make as much or more money in the right seat here then in the left seat at any regional. You can NEVER upgrade, and you will still do better than you will at a regional, not even counting premium pay.

There will be movement here, but it will be mostly to attrition. We are growing, but at Dave Barger pace. that means we are growing slower than molasses in winter. Barger seems incapable of doing ANYTHING other than New York to Florida. If he continues, he is going to saturate the market to the point to where we start competing with ourselves.

The operation is really stupid sometimes. They do a lot of stupid things, from the disasters of the past, to the BDL thing, to sending planes to Florida during a tropical storm just recently, with a system chief pilot sitting behind a damn desk thousands of miles away saying 'everything is fine'. I really fear that it is only a matter of time before something really bad happens. I just hope nobody dies.

Benefits suck a$$. Most expensive health insurance in the industry BY FAR. I pay double what I paid at a regional for full coverage. Retirement just improved some, but it is still behind. PTO accrual is significantly lower than it should be. STD and LTD are a serious pain.

If you are junior, your schedule will suck. You will fly nothing but a bunch of $hitty unproductive redeye crap ion the 320. Due to the lack of retirements and slow growth, you can expect $hitty trips on the bus for a long time. The 190 is a much better airplane to be junior on, at least in my opinion.

Summary: Don't believe the idiots that act like this place is a Vietnamese sweatshop putting Reeboks together. It's not. You'll make a good living, and even the $hitty trips are better than banging out 5-6 legs a day in a freaking RJ only to finish in an 8 hour overnight. However, when you compare B6 to Delta, WN, UniCAl, FEDEX, UPS, i.e. all the big boys, you're a MORON if you pass a job up there for B6. It's a stepping stone, period. Come here and cool your heels in a [edit: nice Airbus] POS E190 before jumping to one of the big boys. If something happens and you get stuck here, you'll be WAY better off than being stuck at a fricking regional.

Have fun and good luck.

See edit above. Except you may or may not be better off at a regional. If this place is a stepping stone then you better have the PIC requirement (published and unpublished) before you "get stuck here".

This place is buyer beware.

 

[milehigh6080]

Great post, CapnVegetto, I absolutely agree.

 

[johnsonrod]

For those pilots who have left B6 in the last year or two, where have they typically gone? Any examples?

Obviously many of the legacies have stalled their hiring (with the exception of USAirways) but could be opening up soon...

 

[Flyby1206]

For those pilots who have left B6 in the last year or two, where have they typically gone? Any examples?

Obviously many of the legacies have stalled their hiring (with the exception of USAirways) but could be opening up soon...

Buddy in my class left for FDX. There hasnt been much attrition lately. I was hired 1.5yrs ago and moved up about 15 spots since I started.

 

[CapnVegetto]

See edit above. Except you may or may not be better off at a regional. If this place is a stepping stone then you better have the PIC requirement (published and unpublished) before you "get stuck here".

This place is buyer beware.

In about 5 or 6 years, you won't need PIC to go to a legacy.

When everybody is losing 700-800 a year, the competitive requirements wil drop considerably.

 

[Splert]

In about 5 or 6 years, you won't need PIC to go to a legacy.

When everybody is losing 700-800 a year, the competitive requirements wil drop considerably.

Okay ...

IF you don't have PIC time come here for 6 years and see if Cartoon Boy is correct.

It is your career not CapnIjustsoloedlastweek's.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Okay ...

IF you don't have PIC time come here for 6 years and see if Cartoon Boy is correct.

It is your career not CapnIjustsoledlastweek's.

You obviously have no concept of the laws of supply and demand.

I know, you hate B6 and are miserable and want everybody else to be as well because that is the only way you can justify you pathetic station in life.

Grow up you worthless twat.

 

[av8tor4239]

Hired in 2010... Bidding 60 ish out of 170+ as a BOS fo...not really interested in starting over again...you know investors buy low and sell high....forecasts are just that...greener grass....yeah. let me tell you a story about the uniforms in my closet...

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[Splert]

You obviously have no concept of the laws of supply and demand.

I know, you hate B6 and are miserable and want everybody else to be as well because that is the only way you can justify you pathetic station in life.

Grow up you worthless twat.

Explain how the Laws of Supply and Demand work in the free market for labor or goods or commodities and how it works in a Seniority Based System.

Take CapnIpassedEcon1Afrommyonlinecollegecoursewitha65% bet that you will not need PIC time to move onto a real airline in 6 years because if you come to Jetblue during the next 6 years you will not earn 1 hour of turbine PIC time.

If you have no job come to jetblue.

IF you don't have PIC come to jetblue but don't count on being competitive for a real airline anytime soon or in CapnIwearmyuniformtothedonutshop best guess over the next 1/2 a decade or more.

15 years ago some UAL dork was promoting the Pilot Shortage is around the corner. Now CapnNostradamus says it is only 6 years away.

It your career not Capnprepubic's.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Explain how the Laws of Supply and Demand work in the free market for labor or goods or commodities and how it works in a Seniority Based System.

Take CapnIpassedEcon1Afrommyonlinecollegecoursewitha65% bet that you will not need PIC time to move onto a real airline in 6 years because if you come to Jetblue during the next 6 years you will not earn 1 hour of turbine PIC time.

If you have no job come to jetblue.

IF you don't have PIC come to jetblue but don't count on being competitive for a real airline anytime soon or in CapnIwearmyuniformtothedonutshop best guess over the next 1/2 a decade or more.

15 years ago some UAL dork was promoting the Pilot Shortage is around the corner. Now CapnNostradamus says it is only 6 years away.

It your career not Capnprepubic's.

What a bunch of rambling, 5th grade idiocy. You just typed 500 words and said absolutely nothing.

Look, we all get that you hate your life and are pretty much a waste of oxygen. We know you want us all to be as miserable as you. We just don't care. If you can't understand simple math, just stop posting. If you are too stupid to get the value of knowing the right person, stop posting.

Next time you post, try to make it a little bit coherent. Call me alll the names you want, it doesn't make you any less stupid.

 

[Splert]

Oh ...

Now the key to getting out of JetBlue is connections. Not PIC time.

Simple math with sophomoric assumptions and forecsts 6 years out performed by a simpleton is dangerous to other pilots careers. I'm sure you have a multi colored delivery schedule poster for B6 on the back of your bedroom door and you show it to all your friends (your mommy) and say "see I'll be a CA in 2018 and Brenda will have to like me now".

Still waiting for your explaination of supply and demand and seniority system.

How does it affect wages for the number 1 777 CA at CAL since FedEx is hiring.

Come on junior after you eat the PBJ your mommy packed for your lunch use your XBox and look it up.

 

[Splert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opKNqaOr6so

My 8 year old son just told me this guy is cool but Anakin would beat him.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Oh ...

Now the key to getting out of JetBlue is connections. Not PIC time.

Simple math with sophomoric assumptions and forecsts 6 years out performed by a simpleton is dangerous to other pilots careers. I'm sure you have a multi colored delivery schedule poster for B6 on the back of your bedroom door and you show it to all your friends (your mommy) and say "see I'll be a CA in 2018 and Brenda will have to like me now".

Still waiting for your explaination of supply and demand and seniority system.

How does it affect wages for the number 1 777 CA at CAL since FedEx is hiring.

Come on junior after you eat the PBJ your mommy packed for your lunch use your XBox and look it up.

More name calling......sorry, you're still an idiot. On top of that, you still don't get it.

Connections have ALWAYS been the key, which is obviously why you are still here. I wouldn't write a pathetic, worthless person like you a recommendation or walk into the Chief Pilot's office for you for anything.

Since I have nothing better to do at this point, let me break it down in a way that it might be at least slightly possible for your microscopic little brain to understand.

We'll use the following regionals as our measuring stick, as their group is representative of pretty much every regional pilot in the country:

American Eagle
Republic
GoJet
TSA
Mesa
Horizon
PSA
Piedmont
Skywest
Expressjet/ASA
Air Wisconsin
Comair
Compass
Great Lakes
Commutair
Pinnacle

If you total every single pilot currently on their seniority lists now, according to APC, you end up with 19,764 pilots.

Now let's assume that 50% of them are captains with PIC time, (the real number is more like 45% or so, but we'll be optimistic). That leaves 9,882 airline pilots with PIC time.

Now, you take the retirement numbers at DL, WN, (I know there's not many there), FEDEX, UPS, AA/USAir, UniCal. We know the numbers start slow, and by about 2018 they are all going to be losing 700+ a year, with the exception of WN. Hiring generally lags about a year or two behind the retirement numbers, because of things like early outs, filling bids, planning, etc.

So, we take a conservative number of 700 a year, multiply it by 5 'mega carriers' as Barger likes to say, that makes 3500 pilots needed per year, not counting WN, early outs, medical outs, people leaving for other reasons, or anything. So what does that mean?

Well, if you take those numbers, and EVERY SINGLE CAPTAIN AT ALL THOSE AIRLINES left, you'd burn through it in about 3 years.

I'll say it again: EVERY SINGLE CURRENT REGIONAL CAPTAIN IS HIRED TO A LEGACY IN ABOUT 3 YEARS TIME IF THEY HIRED ALL OF THEM.

We're not even counting lifers that don't leave, don't apply, fck up the interview, go to places like Allegiant, Spirit, JetBlue, Virgin, overseas to Cathay or Emirates, etc. etc. etc.

The point is, the competitive qualifications right now are high, but they won't be that way forever. The 4 year degree requirement will vanish. The need for an internal rec will vanish. Eventually, the need for PIC will vanish, especially if you have a connection or 2.

So in conclusion, you are still an idiot. 'Sophomoric assumptions' give way to simple math, and conservative math at that, not even counting the other X factors I mentioned.

I doubt you even know what 'sophomoric' means. Now go back to your sad, angry little existence brought on by your stupidity, lack of personality, and inability to accept the poor life decisions you have made. Continue posting on this board in your vain attempt to make everybody as miserable as you are, calling people things like 'junor' because you lack the intelligence to refute what they say with those unfortunate little things called facts.

Enjoy the rest of your career at JetBlue. My advice to you is to make the most of it, because with your complete lack of anything useful to society, I highly doubt you'll ever be anywhere else.

 

[Splert]

More name calling......sorry, you're still an idiot. On top of that, you still don't get it.

Connections have ALWAYS been the key, which is obviously why you are still here. I wouldn't write a pathetic, worthless person like you a recommendation or walk into the Chief Pilot's office for you for anything.

Since I have nothing better to do at this point, let me break it down in a way that it might be at least slightly possible for your microscopic little brain to understand.

We'll use the following regionals as our measuring stick, as their group is representative of pretty much every regional pilot in the country:

American Eagle
Republic
GoJet
TSA
Mesa
Horizon
PSA
Piedmont
Skywest
Expressjet/ASA
Air Wisconsin
Comair
Compass
Great Lakes
Commutair
Pinnacle

If you total every single pilot currently on their seniority lists now, according to APC, you end up with 19,764 pilots.

Now let's assume that 50% of them are captains with PIC time, (the real number is more like 45% or so, but we'll be optimistic). That leaves 9,882 airline pilots with PIC time.

Now, you take the retirement numbers at DL, WN, (I know there's not many there), FEDEX, UPS, AA/USAir, UniCal. We know the numbers start slow, and by about 2018 they are all going to be losing 700+ a year, with the exception of WN. Hiring generally lags about a year or two behind the retirement numbers, because of things like early outs, filling bids, planning, etc.

So, we take a conservative number of 700 a year, multiply it by 5 'mega carriers' as Barger likes to say, that makes 3500 pilots needed per year, not counting WN, early outs, medical outs, people leaving for other reasons, or anything. So what does that mean?

Well, if you take those numbers, and EVERY SINGLE CAPTAIN AT ALL THOSE AIRLINES left, you'd burn through it in about 3 years.

I'll say it again: EVERY SINGLE CURRENT REGIONAL CAPTAIN IS HIRED TO A LEGACY IN ABOUT 3 YEARS TIME IF THEY HIRED ALL OF THEM.

We're not even counting lifers that don't leave, don't apply, fck up the interview, go to places like Allegiant, Spirit, JetBlue, Virgin, overseas to Cathay or Emirates, etc. etc. etc.

The point is, the competitive qualifications right now are high, but they won't be that way forever. The 4 year degree requirement will vanish. The need for an internal rec will vanish. Eventually, the need for PIC will vanish, especially if you have a connection or 2.

So in conclusion, you are still an idiot. 'Sophomoric assumptions' give way to simple math, and conservative math at that, not even counting the other X factors I mentioned.

I doubt you even know what 'sophomoric' means. Now go back to your sad, angry little existence brought on by your stupidity, lack of personality, and inability to accept the poor life decisions you have made. Continue posting on this board in your vain attempt to make everybody as miserable as you are, calling people things like 'junor' because you lack the intelligence to refute what they say with those unfortunate little things called facts.

Enjoy the rest of your career at JetBlue. My advice to you is to make the most of it, because with your complete lack of anything useful to society, I highly doubt you'll ever be anywhere else.

Your "facts" are forecasts and are your forecasts are sophomoric at best junior.

15 years ago the pilot shortage was around the corner. Now according to you it is 3 years away.

Larger gage, fewer frequency, higher fares, fuel costs, rational pricing, economy, Iran, Go to Meeting, Etc and without PIC time everyone will be fine according to CapNIstartedcallingnamesfirstandthenImamazedwhensomeoneslapsbacksowhereismymommy.

Untill he finds his mommy CapNwonderboypants said here first (except for the UAL Dork from Air Inc said it 15 years ago). The hiring boom is here ... and Majors will have no TT PIC requirement (published or unpublished) soon ... very soon.

Come to Jetblue everything will be fine and dandy. You don't need PIC time to go to a real airline anytime between 3 years from today and infinity.

No alternate plan is always a good thing even when it is forecasted by a Barista to be CAVU.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Wow, you used sophomoric again. I'm really impressed.

Math is math ******************************bag, you can't argue numbers, especially with.....uh.....sophomoric conjecture. Everything you mentioned is nothing more than exactly what you are accusing me of, which is basically not mentioning any facts, only making guesses about what MIGHT happen.

It's simple, there are X number of pilots with PIC, Y number of slots. Right now Y > X. That will not always be the case.

Yes, nothing has changed. You are still an idiot. As much as I'd like to continue this verbal evisceration of someone so obviously inferior to me in every way, I have better things to do.

 

[Splert]

As I said at the beginning.

1) If a pilot is out of work come to JetBlue.
2) If you are a Pilot with no PIC time beware of this place.

I think you are crazy to come here without PIC TT.

After that CapNunderwearpants started calling names.

CapNwhatever has a chart some where that predicts that some time in the future you will not need TT PIC to move onto a career airline.

I would not place a Dollar on that old bet. It is a fools bet.

Good luck to everyone in this industry.

 

[Splert]

...You are still an idiot. As much as I'd like to continue this verbal evisceration of someone so obviously inferior to me in every way, I have better things to do.

Are you now off to the hospital to preform a superior verbal eye surgery?

Stick to cartoons junior.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Are you now off to the hospital to preform a superior verbal eye surgery?

Stick to cartoons junior.

And the display of your rampant stupidity continues.

Try looking a bit past that one definition, and perhaps you'll connect the metaphor.

Wait....what am I thinking? You obviously are at the educational level of maybe a 5 year old. You wouldn't understand that.

Me senior captain! Me think me know everything!! Me is smart!! Grunt grunt!

You amuse me.

 

[BeachBummer]

I'm smarter, no I'm smarter... no I know more, no I know more, your stupid your stupider, well your old... well your junior well...

SHUT THE EEEEF UP you two!

You both sound like whiny little (female dogs). I can't imagine why you have differing views from two polar opposite sides of the spectrum?!?! can't imagine...

Do the thread a favor and take this to a PM session or go roshambo eash other.

 

[bocaflyer]

Amen. I was about to poke my eyes out.

 

[xjhawk]

I think the retirement numbers are a little high three numbers from now. There is no way that all the major carriers will hire 700 a year three years from now. Back in 1999 NWA was hiring 3-400 a year and their training system was maxed out. I do not think Delta or any other carrier can handle that much training. Next year we will be lucky to see American hire any and if they and US Airways merge, they will both not be hiring 700 a year. That being said, I think the hiring number at its peak will be 400 a year in 5 years time. The majors will not grow and if they cannot hire to cover retirements, they will shrink capacity only to raise ticket prices. I hope I am wrong

 

[Flyer1015]

Exactly xjhawk. For a country of 300 million, we have too many airplanes as is. A cut in capacity and higher ticket prices can ease whatever issues the airlines have.

 

[Flyby1206]

I think the retirement numbers are a little high three numbers from now. There is no way that all the major carriers will hire 700 a year three years from now. Back in 1999 NWA was hiring 3-400 a year and their training system was maxed out. I do not think Delta or any other carrier can handle that much training. Next year we will be lucky to see American hire any and if they and US Airways merge, they will both not be hiring 700 a year. That being said, I think the hiring number at its peak will be 400 a year in 5 years time. The majors will not grow and if they cannot hire to cover retirements, they will shrink capacity only to raise ticket prices. I hope I am wrong

You bring up an interesting point. When DAL and NWA were separate they both could probably max at 300-400 pilots per year as newhires(600-800 total newhires combined). But now that the carriers are combined, chances are they are limited to 300-400/yr. That could turn out to be a significant choke point in the 'pilot shortage.'

In the late 90s when Eagle was hiring like mad they couldnt bring enough people through the training department fast enough, and that was used as leverage to get the courts to allow taking Eagle owned aircraft and giving them to a 3rd party to operate (TSA). It was a looong time to get those airframes back, even after the hiring had stopped. I would hate to see something like that happen at DAL.

 

[crashmbern]

What intrigues me more is not how some of these airlines will train 700 new hire pilots a year, it's how they will deal with all the training cycles. A company like delta has about 5 or 6 different types. 700 pilots retiring a year could cause what 2500 training cycles or more?