JetBlue class dates

[$$$4nothin]

I do believe my total compensation package makes me an under paid individual. Not sure what that has to do with my debt free lifestyle though.

 

[Beechnut]

http://lifesnotbetterinblue.com/

Poolies and those considering JB, read this.

 

[Smarta$$]

Poolies and those leaving any regional considering JB, read this.

August 16, 2012 * * | Please CLICK HERE to view our current pay rates. * * Thank you for reading this issue of the Pilot Hotline. If you have any questions regarding this hotline, please contact your local representative. * * TABLE OF CONTENTS * Update on Revised 1113 Term Sheet Safety Committee Update * * * **** * * Update on Revised 1113 Term Sheet* [toc] The Negotiating Committee, accompanied by MEC Chairman Tom Wychor and ALPA staff from the Representation and Economic & Financial Analysis Departments, met with the company today to receive a revised 1113 term sheet. The full term sheet is attached to this update. While our analysis of the term sheet is just beginning, we are sharing it now so that all pilots can see and understand the demands being made of our pilot group. * We encourage all pilots to read the entire update, but to briefly summarize the new information presented today: ·******** The total ask of all labor groups has increased from $42.6 million to $76.5 million per year. The pilots’ share increased from $33.2 million to $59.6 million dollars annually.

·******** The term sheet itself includes the entire ask made in May, along with additional reductions in pay rates, changes to pay structure, modifications to cancellation pay, reductions in vacation accrual, reductions in deadhead pay and further changes to the health care plans to provide only a single HRA plan.

·******** The proposed pay scales will be capped at 12 years for captains and 4 years for first officers. Upgrading pilots would start at the first “step” of the captain pay scale regardless of longevity.

·******** The deadline required by the DIP financing agreement for filing a motion in bankruptcy court to reject our collective bargaining agreement has been pushed back to September 13.

Background ****** As you are aware, the Negotiating Committee had been in session with management throughout May and June to work towards a consensual agreement with reference to the prior term sheet. Management withdrew from those negotiations in late June citing a need to revise their business plan in light of the new scope limitations contained in Delta’s collective bargaining agreement with its pilots. * The company spent the next six weeks performing an internal analysis of the business plan. The company informed us late last week that they would be presenting the new 1113 ask today. The plan presented today is still based on a fleet of 140 CRJ-200s and 41 CRJ-900s in the final “steady state.” * Term Sheet Summary The new term sheet contains all of the original demands from the May 8 term sheet, including re-insertion of the provision for 10 days off on reserve that had been removed in the May 18 revision. The total value of the ask increased by 80%, from $33.2 million to $59.6 million. * The revised term sheet includes demands for additional changes in the following areas: ·******** Pay Rates. The proposal includes significant reductions in pay rates for Captains, ranging (according to the company) from 7 to 24% from current rates. There have also been further reductions in the proposed single First Office rates beyond one year of longevity.

·******** Pay Scales. The company has proposed capping pay for Captains at 12 “steps” and capping First Officer pay at 4 years of service. Moreover, the company is seeking a provision to require pilots who upgrade to begin at “Step 1” Captain pay, no matter their prior longevity as a First Officer (or, for pilots who have been previously downgraded due to a displacement, their time as a Captain). Such a scheme would be unique in our industry.

·******** Cancellation Pay. Replacement of our current leg-by-leg cancellation pay with the guarantee based on the value of a pairing (Trip Guarantee).

·******** Customs Pay. Removal of all customs pay.

·******** Vacation Accrual. For pilots with more than one year of service, vacation accrual would be reduced by one week.

·******** Recurrent Pay.* Pilots will have their recurrent training blocked off in PBS but zero (0) credit will go towards the line credit.** Actual pay for training will remain the same.**

·******** Uniform Allowance. Eliminate uniform allowance.

·******** Per Diem.* Eliminate Per Diem on day trips.

·******** Move benefits.* Eliminate voluntary move benefits.

·******** Reserve Days Off. Reduction of minimum days off for reserve pilots to 10.

·******** Deadhead Pay. Reduction in deadhead pay from 75% to 50%.

·******** Health Care. Instead of the two CDHP plans proposed in the May 8 term sheet, the revised term sheet includes only a single HRA plan, with a 35% pilot contribution.

* Longevity The company represented throughout the presentation that they believe our pilot group’s average longevity is the main source of their cost problems. Hence, the proposals to reduce vacation accruals, capping longevity steps on Captain payrates and modifications to the 401(k) matches. They have cited, as “comparable” carriers, airlines that did not even exist while some of our pilots were already working to help our own airline to grow. Now, the company is seeking to penalize those pilots for their loyalty through good times and bad. * To be clear, we fundamentally disagree with the company’s premise. Our longevity patterns compare similarly to other large regionals such as American Eagle, ExpressJet, SkyWest, etc. The fact that our pilots are experienced should be rewarded rather than penalized. * Our Process and Next Steps The MEC convened this evening to review the term sheet and share their initial impressions with the Negotiating Committee. The Negotiating Committee, along with the support of ALPA professionals, will now begin the work of analyzing the proposal and the supporting documentation provided by the company to determine the true needs of the company. It remains our goal to reach a consensual agreement on any changes to the JCBA viewed as necessary by the MEC. * We plan to meet with the company tomorrow and next week to review the term sheet and supporting documentation in more detail.* Additionally, we will continue to work on a letter of agreement regarding upcoming realignment notices. * The company’s intended deadline for an 1113 motion in the bankruptcy court is now September 13, and, though that deadline has shifted multiple times in the past, we will commit the necessary resources to work productively with the company towards our goal of a pilot-ratified agreement. * Your Role Your role as a line pilot in these negotiations (and that’s what they are – the 1113 term sheet is a starting point and not a destination) is to stay informed and stay professional. As we move forward in the process, we will be ramping up our Pilot-2-Pilot and SPC programs so that all pilots have the information they need to make an informed decision when the time comes. We encourage every pilot to show the professionalism that brought us survival during past challenges, success during good times, and will carry us through this bankruptcy.

 

[StarChecker]

Poolies and those leaving any regional considering JB, read this.
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ATTENTION ALL REGIONAL PILOTS:


COME BUILD A CAREER AT JETBLUE....HEY....AT LEAST IT'S BETTER THAN YOUR ***HOLE REGIONAL


Are we really back to this? Our compensation/benefits is below industry average WHEN COMPARED TO OUR PEERS: MAJOR AIRLINES

And every one of our peers has now been through bankruptcy and we're STILL below them in pay/benefits. No excuses anymore...

 

[linepilot]

So I'll NEVER see the left seat of the Airbus AND I'll be paying for every doctor bill?

Sign me up!

 

[kellwolf]

Thanks for the update. How much advance notice are guys getting for classes? 2-3weeks?

Aaaand back on topic. Guys started getting calls yesterday for the Oct 17th class.

 

[CE560XLPLT]

Aaaand back on topic. Guys started getting calls yesterday for the Oct 17th class.

Thanks for the update!

 

[wrigley23]

If anyone hears what number they get to in the pool with the October calls, please post.

 

[Smarta$$]

So far it looks like it is close to the same number of people called for class. Doesn't appear to be much, if any not accepting yet.

 

[CE560XLPLT]

If anyone hears what number they get to in the pool with the October calls, please post.

They are at least into the low 20's. A co-worker was called yesterday for the October class and he was number 21 on the list.

 

[Secret Agent]

I was 25 in the pool originally and am in the Oct 17th class. I was told that there would be 20 people specifically from the interviewing on the 14th last year.

 

[kellwolf]

I was 25 in the pool originally and am in the Oct 17th class. I was told that there would be 20 people specifically from the interviewing on the 14th last year.

According to what someone posted on another forum, they were #35 in the pool and got the call for the Oct 17th class.

 

[kellwolf]

For those still keeping track, calls went out for the Nov 7th class, including one to myself.

 

[Flyby1206]

From APC:

Possible class dates (subject to change)
17OCT2012 8-12 10 E190 11 A320
7NOV2012 9-12 6 E190 5 A320
5DEC2012 10-12 10 E190
9JAN2013 1-13 6 E190
23JAN2013 2-13 8 E190
13FEB2013 3-13 6 E190 4 A320
27FEB2013 4-13 4 E190
13MAR2013 5-13 7 E190 4 A320
27MAR2013 6-13 10 E190

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Those of you coming to B6, I hope you make the decision to invest in your careers by helping us organize. Help us make this a career airline by standing up for the profession and for your families.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Those of you coming to B6, I hope you make the decision to invest in your careers by helping us organize. Help us make this a career airline by standing up for the profession and for your families.

Amen. No voters need not apply. Please read......

http://lifesnotbetterinblue.com/
http://www.bluetruthpilots.com/

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Amen. No voters need not apply.

Isn't this still a free country?

I understand your point, but people shouldn't be excluded from employment based on the way they *might* vote. Airlines get the unions they deserve. If life is bad enough, people will vote in a union without strong arms.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Isn't this still a free country?

I understand your point, but people shouldn't be excluded from employment based on the way they *might* vote. Airlines get the unions they deserve. If life is bad enough, people will vote in a union without strong arms.

Yes it is a free country. Again, no voters need not apply. See, freedom of speech is great.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Yes it is a free country. Again, no voters need not apply. See, freedom of speech is great.

No one said you couldn't speak your mind.

 

[Blue Dude]

Isn't this still a free country?

I understand your point, but people shouldn't be excluded from employment based on the way they *might* vote. Airlines get the unions they deserve. If life is bad enough, people will vote in a union without strong arms.

I think the point is that the last thing we need here are a bunch of new starry-eyed pilots who will side with the company by default 'cause they get to fly big jets and it's a better job than the regional they came from. This "better job" is rapidly deteriorating but you need time on station to recognize it. Feel free to apply but please don't get in the way of long term efforts to make this place worth having as a career.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

I think the point is that the last thing we need here are a bunch of new starry-eyed pilots who will side with the company by default 'cause they get to fly big jets and it's a better job than the regional they came from. This "better job" is rapidly deteriorating but you need time on station to recognize it. Feel free to apply but please don't get in the way of long term efforts to make this place worth having as a career.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

GP

 

[B6Busdriver]

No one said you couldn't speak your mind.

Yes I am aware of that. What blue dude said, and may I add no voters need not apply?:laugh:

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I think the point is that the last thing we need here are a bunch of new starry-eyed pilots who will side with the company by default 'cause they get to fly big jets and it's a better job than the regional they came from. This "better job" is rapidly deteriorating but you need time on station to recognize it. Feel free to apply but please don't get in the way of long term efforts to make this place worth having as a career.

That's all fine. My point was that if someone comes in, reviews the facts, lives the life, and decides after all of that to vote no, well, that is why we live in 'Umerica isn't it? If I were you, I wouldn't want blind "yes" voters either. Come in, learn about the situation, and make an informed vote.

I'm in the pool, and I'm not committed either way to yes or no. As an outsider, how could I have enough information to make that determination?

 

[Blue Dude]

That's all fine. My point was that if someone comes in, reviews the facts, lives the life, and decides after all of that to vote no, well, that is why we live in 'Umerica isn't it? If I were you, I wouldn't want blind "yes" voters either. Come in, learn about the situation, and make an informed vote.

It's good you're willing to become informed, but make sure you actually do become informed rather than just parrot the expertly developed company marketing. And remember that not voting is a perfectly acceptable response to not fully comprehending the situation and history. It's certainly better than reflexively voting no as so many other newbies do.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

It's good you're willing to become informed, but make sure you actually do become informed rather than just parrot the expertly developed company marketing. And remember that not voting is a perfectly acceptable response to not fully comprehending the situation and history. It's certainly better than reflexively voting no as so many other newbies do.

Don't you have to be there a year before you can vote?

 

[B6Busdriver]

Don't you have to be there a year before you can vote?

NO. You must have completed IOE. If you are a no voter you have to wait a year though.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I'm in the pool, and I'm not committed either way to yes or no. As an outsider, how could I have enough information to make that determination?

It's really not that hard.

FACT: JetBlue now offers the worst health care in the industry.
FACT: JetBlue has committees made up of pilots that mostly act as a student council. The committees were not consulted in the health care changes and condemned these changes unilaterally via email.
FACT: JetBlue retirement is below industry average. JetBlue pilots were given a small increase in retirement after 6 years of so called negotiations. Over 85% of JetBlue pilots voted the change was inadequate.
FACT: JetBlue has a flag system for all new hire and recurrent training. If you generate enough flags your job will be up for review. I understand we need to perform as pilots but the above system is buried in electronic manuals.
FACT: JetBlue pilots pay is attached to a peer set group. The company wants to change that peer group to avoid raises at Delta and soon to be at other carriers.
FACT: JetBlue pilots have a company provided and paid for attorney in some legal cases, some not. If the company pays that attorney where is his allegiance?
FACT: JetBlue refuses to provide a copy of the LTD plan for pilots. They also refuse to put any LTD plan in your individual contract; therefore it can be terminated at any time.
FACT: JetBlue vacation is a winner take all unlike almost every other carrier.
FACT: JetBlue paid time off/vacation accrual was found to be lagging the rest of the industry 6 years ago. So far no changes.
FACT: JetBlue pilots will be hosed in any merger as they will be represented by the company.
FACT: JetBlue has reduced open time to next to nothing via a scheduling manual that was not voted on by the pilot group.

The list goes on and on. In the end, the JetBlue pilot has no representation in any process. The company makes the rules and we get to follow them.

Seriously, go check out http://www.bluetruthpilots.com/

 

[linepilot]

However you all decide to play it just keep your shiney happy propoganda from initial to yourselves because we've all heard it a hundred times before.

We even have a multi-million dollar MANDATORY charm school to refresh our memories.

It's ALL just rhetoric and we don't need to hear it from new hires.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

However you all decide to play it just keep your shiney happy propoganda from initial to yourselves because we've all heard it a hundred times before.

We even have a multi-million dollar MANDATORY charm school to refresh our memories.

It's ALL just rhetoric and we don't need to hear it from new hires.

You're doing an awesome job of convincing new hires to join your side.

 

[Blue Dude]

You're doing an awesome job of convincing new hires to join your side.

The facts speak for themselves. If you need to be stroked to act in your own best interest, then you're not going to find much sympathy.