Jetblew Is MESSED up!

[johnsonrod]

I jumpseated on a Jetblue flight a few years ago. I was sitting in the back with another Jetblue pilot. At the end of the flight he tried to give me a pair of blue rubber gloves and told me as a jumpseater it is common courtesy at Jetblue to help pick up trash. I told him I appreciate the ride, but I am not doing that. He didn't say anything else about it. True story. I think he was serious though because he put the gloves on and started picking up trash. I was a little embarrassed that an airline pilot is picking up trash in front of the passengers. At my airline, we have cleaners that do that while we greet the passengers.

Good for you! What's next - wiping off the pi$$ stains in front of the toilet between flights? That JB pilot signed up for that duty, not you...

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Good for you! What's next - wiping off the pi$$ stains in front of the toilet between flights? That JB pilot signed up for that duty, not you...

Not expected of jumpseaters at all and he was wrong to ask!


This whole thing originated from pass riding employees being asked to straighten their row and go. It somehow morphed into let's all don gloves and clean the entire plane while we jump over the passengers trying to deplane.


In case any jetblue pilots think it is actually your job you need to look in the FOM and see it is clearly defined that you don't.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Not expected of jumpseaters at all and he was wrong to ask!


This whole thing originated from pass riding employees being asked to straighten their row and go. It somehow morphed into let's all don gloves and clean the entire plane while we jump over the passengers trying to deplane.


In case any jetblue pilots think it is actually your job you need to look in the FOM and see it is clearly defined that you don't.

I wish more of the new hires would actually read the FOM....new guy in my pad was asked me about that, I vehemently told him that not only was NOT required but every passenger who was asked about it was against seeing any pilot cleaning. He told me during IOE the CKA was "highly encouraging" him to hurry back and clean....JFK/BOS the other day and the new FO was cleaning before I made it up to the front...

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

I jumpseated on a Jetblue flight a few years ago. I was sitting in the back with another Jetblue pilot. At the end of the flight he tried to give me a pair of blue rubber gloves and told me as a jumpseater it is common courtesy at Jetblue to help pick up trash. I told him I appreciate the ride, but I am not doing that. He didn't say anything else about it. True story. I think he was serious though because he put the gloves on and started picking up trash. I was a little embarrassed that an airline pilot is picking up trash in front of the passengers. At my airline, we have cleaners that do that while we greet the passengers.

I apologize for the morons we have on the property. No bluejet pilot or flight attendant should ever be asking or implying that an offline jump seater should ever help clean the plane. This practice is not "common courtesy."

If I ever see an offline pilot or flight attendant attempting to clean one of our planes, I politely tell them that they are our guests and they do not have to help clean our planes. On one particular occasion, my own inflight crew gave me the evil eye after telling some offline FAs that they didn't have to help clean the plane. I gladly reminded my inflight crew that these people are our guests, and that when we as bluejet pilots and flight attendants jumpseat on their aircraft, we are never asked to help clean. I also reminded them to look in their FAMs because there is guidance for this issue. Cleaning aircraft is part of the bluejet flight attendants' job description......period. Offering to help them is one thing, but please don't ever let anyone ask, imply, or insist that a jump seater should help clean.

 

[BeachBummer]

I apologize for the morons we have on the property. No bluejet pilot or flight attendant should ever be asking or implying that an offline jump seater should ever help clean the plane. This practice is not "common courtesy."

If I ever see an offline pilot or flight attendant attempting to clean one of our planes, I politely tell them that they are our guests and they do not have to help clean our planes. On one particular occasion, my own inflight crew gave me the evil eye after telling some offline FAs that they didn't have to help clean the plane. I gladly reminded my inflight crew that these people are our guests, and that when we as bluejet pilots and flight attendants jumpseat on their aircraft, we are never asked to help clean. I also reminded them to look in their FAMs because there is guidance for this issue. Cleaning aircraft is part of the bluejet flight attendants' job description......period. Offering to help them is one thing, but please don't ever let anyone ask, imply, or insist that a jump seater should help clean.

Well said x1000

 

[Fins Up]

I jumpseated on a Jetblue flight a few years ago. I was sitting in the back with another Jetblue pilot. At the end of the flight he tried to give me a pair of blue rubber gloves and told me as a jumpseater it is common courtesy at Jetblue to help pick up trash. I told him I appreciate the ride, but I am not doing that. He didn't say anything else about it. True story. I think he was serious though because he put the gloves on and started picking up trash. I was a little embarrassed that an airline pilot is picking up trash in front of the passengers. At my airline, we have cleaners that do that while we greet the passengers.

Unbelievable! One of our bluebells actually asked you to clean?? What a ******************************. If I see an OAL pilot looking like he's going to jump in and clean, I tell him not to. My reasoning is, "I'm not going to clean your plane so you don't need to clean mine." That's FA or contractor duty.

 

[pilotpayne]

Unbelievable! One of our bluebells actually asked you to clean?? What a ******************************. If I see an OAL pilot looking like he's going to jump in and clean, I tell him not to. My reasoning is, "I'm not going to clean your plane so you don't need to clean mine." That's FA or contractor duty.

Lets not get all out of control over one story.
I have yet to see ANY offline guy asked to do anything other than enjoy the ride. It's one story and if we want to go with things like this as the default for the pilot group than every United guy is an a$$ because of the one guy who was a TOTAL d--k to me while jumpseating but I just think he was the exception to the rule. Pilots DO NOT HAVE TO CLEAN.
I am a 190 guy so I am stuck with the FA's my policy is if they are nice and I am done with my job, my stuff is out of the flight deck, and all of the people are off I will go help out. If I am non reving I sit and wait till everyone leaves and help out. That is just me. I have seen plenty of non rev guys in uniform (jetblue) walk right out and I have seen them jump over seats, the answer as always is in the middle.

 

[linepilot]

Lets not get all out of control over one story.
I have yet to see ANY offline guy asked to do anything other than enjoy the ride. It's one story and if we want to go with things like this as the default for the pilot group than every United guy is an a$$ because of the one guy who was a TOTAL d--k to me while jumpseating but I just think he was the exception to the rule. Pilots DO NOT HAVE TO CLEAN.
I am a 190 guy so I am stuck with the FA's my policy is if they are nice and I am done with my job, my stuff is out of the flight deck, and all of the people are off I will go help out. If I am non reving I sit and wait till everyone leaves and help out. That is just me. I have seen plenty of non rev guys in uniform (jetblue) walk right out and I have seen them jump over seats, the answer as always is in the middle.

The "default" is clearly that this pilot group is weak, scared, and decades behind the power curve because they lack any foresight.

They CLEAN because they are WEAK.

They are WEAK because they are INFERIOR and SCARED. They need to feel secure in a servant relationship.

If you want to join a WEAK, INFERIOR, SCARED, pilot group with absolutely no foresight, then you should come to jetblew.

At the end of the day, you will be millions behind your peers and you will put your family in jeapordy.

Jetblew is BAD decision unless you plan to move up to a real airline.

 

[B6Driver]

One man's opinion......nothing more.

 

[pilotpayne]

The "default" is clearly that this pilot group is weak, scared, and decades behind the power curve because they lack any foresight.

They CLEAN because they are WEAK.

They are WEAK because they are INFERIOR and SCARED. They need to feel secure in a servant relationship.

If you want to join a WEAK, INFERIOR, SCARED, pilot group with absolutely no foresight, then you should come to jetblew.

At the end of the day, you will be millions behind your peers and you will put your family in jeapordy.

Jetblew is BAD decision unless you plan to move up to a real airline.

So are you weak, inferior, or scared?
I would go with just an A$$

 

[8vATE]

Or is it more likely that a lot of the guys who have been here since getting furloughed or bent over by "legacy" carriers soon after 9/11 or during the USAirways debacle had some gratitude and motivation for trying to do a little "more" for fellow crewmembers and customers the first 5 years of the company or so.

Then JetBlue management slowly devolved in to the typical bean counter and wall street creep persona.

And we now face the resultant reality that almost all professional airline pilots bow down to union representation and it's abundant pitfalls, compromises and political nastiness.

 

[Vingus]

Or is it more likely that a lot of the guys who have been here since getting furloughed or bent over by "legacy" carriers soon after 9/11 or during the USAirways debacle had some gratitude and motivation for trying to do a little "more" for fellow crewmembers and customers the first 5 years of the company or so.

Then JetBlue management slowly devolved in to the typical bean counter and wall street creep persona.

And we now face the resultant reality that almost all professional airline pilots bow down to union representation and it's abundant pitfalls, compromises and political nastiness.

This!!!

 

[linepilot]

And where was the foresight?

NONE what-so-ever!

Now we have lost everything that we could have preserved.

And y'all need to get ready for a further demonstration of WEAK!

When this bunch of lambs fumbles around for 10 years trying to negotiate back what they gave away. But when they finally vote in ALPA, I'm sure they'll find a way to blame ALPA for their lack of back bone, unity, and resolve.

Just watch.

Weak and ignorant and it WILL continue.

 

[8vATE]

Instead of voting in ALPA with just 51% of the pilot group with the most recent vote....

I think it will sail past at +85% (hopefully) now that "leadership" has decidely picked their poison and shown us how it will be.

Some of you ALPA worshipers put WAY too much emotion in to this argument.

It has played out fairly and rather predictably unfortunately... But it has taken the time it has needed.

Some things do need to sit and ferment. You end up with vinegar or wine.

I would rather have a UNIFIED and thoroughly convinced pilot group than have had ALPA barely go through with a weak vote.

Live with the reality..Stop denigrating or attacking those who have different opinions or experiences. Reduce the emotion.

Seek out your fantasy land perfect airline somewhere else if you want.

The entire industry has been a minefield of frustration, delays and disappointment.

 

[linepilot]

This pilot group still has SO MANY MORE mistakes to make.

The game is just beginning and the victories are still 15 years away.

This is all playing out so much better than jetblew and their "third parties" could have ever hoped for.

The only way to make up for lost time is militancy and that's not going to happen until you all get spanked a few more times. Of course, by then, the company will have you blaming ALPA for your predicament.

 

[Skank]

And where was the foresight?

NONE what-so-ever!

Now we have lost everything that we could have preserved.

And y'all need to get ready for a further demonstration of WEAK!

When this bunch of lambs fumbles around for 10 years trying to negotiate back what they gave away. But when they finally vote in ALPA, I'm sure they'll find a way to blame ALPA for their lack of back bone, unity, and resolve.

Just watch.

Weak and ignorant and it WILL continue.

Gosh, so much to look forward to. Slug your ex-wife for me, would ya?

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Instead of voting in ALPA with just 51% of the pilot group with the most recent vote....

I think it will sail past at +85% (hopefully) now that "leadership" has decidely picked their poison and shown us how it will be.

Some of you ALPA worshipers put WAY too much emotion in to this argument.

It has played out fairly and rather predictably unfortunately... But it has taken the time it has needed.

Some things do need to sit and ferment. You end up with vinegar or wine.

I would rather have a UNIFIED and thoroughly convinced pilot group than have had ALPA barely go through with a weak vote.

Live with the reality..Stop denigrating or attacking those who have different opinions or experiences. Reduce the emotion.

Seek out your fantasy land perfect airline somewhere else if you want.

The entire industry has been a minefield of frustration, delays and disappointment.

I can see your point about wanting to be unified, but what have we lost since August of 2011?

Healthcare
Dependability policy (shoved down our throats w/8 hrs. notice)
Premium pay
3A
...just to name a few.

Now we will have to use negotiating power to get some of these things back.

I remember talking to a 'no' voter about 5 years ago. He said that he didn't think that it was the 'right time' to vote in a union. I responded, "When is the right time? When they've taken away so much that we have to negotiate for what we already had?".

If this next vote doesn't pass, I may be seeking employment elsewhere. After 10 years at a major. Wow!

GP

 

[hyperboy]

..........

I can see your point about wanting to be unified, but what have we lost since August of 2011?

Healthcare
Dependability policy (shoved down our throats w/8 hrs. notice)
Premium pay
3A
...just to name a few.

Now we will have to use negotiating power to get some of these things back.

I remember talking to a 'no' voter about 5 years ago. He said that he didn't think that it was the 'right time' to vote in a union. I responded, "When is the right time? When they've taken away so much that we have to negotiate for what we already had?".

If this next vote doesn't pass, I may be seeking employment elsewhere. After 10 years at a major. Wow!

GP

Why did you not leave after the last failed attempt?

 

[linepilot]

Why did you not leave after the last failed attempt?

You're a cringer aren't you?

Do you rub against Jenny and Rob's legs when you're cowering at their feet like a stray dog?

 

[hyperboy]

alpo

I can see your point about wanting to be unified, but what have we lost since August of 2011?

Healthcare
Dependability policy (shoved down our throats w/8 hrs. notice)
Premium pay
3A
...just to name a few.

Now we will have to use negotiating power to get some of these things back.

I remember talking to a 'no' voter about 5 years ago. He said that he didn't think that it was the 'right time' to vote in a union. I responded, "When is the right time? When they've taken away so much that we have to negotiate for what we already had?".

If this next vote doesn't pass, I may be seeking employment elsewhere. After 10 years at a major. Wow!

GP

Here is what ALPO will get you right off the bat........

Conflict of interest. (Majors vs. Regionals)
Pay cuts and concessions (see last two ALPO contracts)
1.9% paycut (union dues)
Divided pilot group
Absolute waste of monies (flight pay loss,boozing, and fine dining)
a union buried in lawsuits.....