Jetblew Is MESSED up!

[Andy]

$2,500
Not much as concur shows costs at 60 a night.
Salaried and many are not on our seniority list
Chief pilots and people dept are on salary, pins is 5 hours

Jetblue is very different in that even those fools that show up at conferences are doing it for free. Should have heard the cat fight at WIA conference.

The saving are substantial as the cost of an FO between years 5 - 10 is greater than 1 - 3.

I see your point.

How about when a line pilot goes to training? I assume they're paid their normal salary, correct?

And I assume all new hires go to the E190FO position, correct? If that's the case, there would only be a single training event when a E190FO leaves JBLU. All other attrition would require multiple training events.

 

[Splert]

A line pilot is paid less to go to training than fly the line (recurrent).

If they are transitioning then it is 70 hours and is done out of seniority to protect the operation. FO to CA is about 7 days of training. I forget the actual number of days but the foot print is very small.

Bluejet is very different.

 

[N311HK]

You guys/gals realize they just put out a legal binding contract, and then just pulled it back and made changes to it? Imagine if that happened in any other business deal, buying property, car, merger, etc. What would you think of the institution providing the document? What would you think of your situation? Srsly. Imagine buying a car and then a week later the bank comes bank and tells you we got the loan wrong? If you think training costs and loss of pilots is our leverage, we really need to rethink our situation

 

[DASHDRIVER]

So based on that, does pilots who do not sign the new agreement have the right to sue?

 

[Splert]

You guys/gals realize they just put out a legal binding contract, and then just pulled it back and made changes to it? Imagine if that happened in any other business deal, buying property, car, merger, etc. What would you think of the institution providing the document? What would you think of your situation? Srsly. Imagine buying a car and then a week later the bank comes bank and tells you we got the loan wrong? If you think training costs and loss of pilots is our leverage, we really need to rethink our situation

They are offering the 400 that signed it kneejerkstyle and amendment to the amendment.

Funny and tragic at the same time.

 

[DASHDRIVER]

Only 400 pilots signed the new agreement? That's a very solid representation of unity. Great job guys.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

You guys are forgetting that they need to hire additional instructors.

Just flew with an adjunct instructor and they are hiring additional instructors in the school house, and offering overtime.

It does cost more to train additional pilots.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Only 400 pilots signed the new agreement? That's a very solid representation of unity. Great job guys.

400 signed or declined by responding. We do not know how many actually accepted the PEA. Regardless, it is quite shocking (IMO) that anyone would accept without first waiting to see the response of the PVC's attorney (which will hopefully be sent to us soon after Thanksgiving). Also, the 900+ 3a guys and gals are waiting to hear from their attorney as well.

Keep the cards coming!

 

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[B6Busdriver]

fubar

snafu

 

[BeachBummer]

fubar

snafu

Fellow pilots,

That's some good energy guys, thanks for the color on the situation. We feel that this is a good thing and put everything humanly possible into this for you guys. We realize we had our crack legal team on this for over a year but were called out by a bunch of hack pilots... (Totally not planned at all) So we want to prove the system works by fixing the stuff you caught. But not really fixing anything at all. Ideally we will lose some senior guys as this is actually good for the company.

Thanks for the pushback and all you do

Jetblue flops

 

[ExpWayVis31]

Fellow pilots,
. Ideally we will lose some senior guys as this is actually good for the company.

Thanks for the pushback and all you do

Jetblue flops

How is this good for B6? It might be good for you as you move up a number.
The problem is that B6 is bad for the profession, it's a rag tag group of independent contractors out to screw there fellow employees.

 

[pilotpayne]

How is this good for B6? It might be good for you as you move up a number.
The problem is that B6 is bad for the profession, it's a rag tag group of independent contractors out to screw there fellow employees.

Wow rag tag?

He was being SARCASTIC.

Maybe you should work on reading comprehension skills.

 

[aewanabe]

How is this good for B6? It might be good for you as you move up a number.
The problem is that B6 is bad for the profession, it's a rag tag group of independent contractors out to screw there fellow employees.

Your sarcasm detector must be MEL'd. Newest screw-job here: FAs get moved to nicer hotel in EWR at a much lower time trigger than pilots, due to VP Flight Ops overriding the hotel committee recommendation. That's right, the hierarchy here values the chip-passers more than us...

 

[BeachBummer]

How is this good for B6? It might be good for you as you move up a number.
The problem is that B6 is bad for the profession, it's a rag tag group of independent contractors out to screw there fellow employees.

This was a direct quote from the coo of jetblue. I find it embarrassing and demeaning at the same time.

I'll make sure to put a smily frowns face next time for ya!

In the grand scheme while misdirected your right.
Bb

 

[B190Captain]

What's a lift or NPS?

NPS=Net Promoter Score is a management tool that can be used to gauge the loyalty of a firm's customer relationships. It serves as an alternative to traditional customer satisfaction research. Apparently it's useless to investors.

Lift= It's a brown-noser award system some incompetent executive made up to distract employees from reality.

 

[Skank]

They are offering the 400 that signed it kneejerkstyle and amendment to the amendment.

Funny and tragic at the same time.

Just a thought...Whether we sign or not, the process is clearly broken. We need to send in a card, and move on down the road. Anyone who has doubts at this point will never get it.
So they could put anything they want in the PEA, which they clearly have the right to do, and it wouldn't matter to me. Take the "raise" and send in a card. Simple. The back and forth about what the PEA says is merely a distraction. It can change at any time, so it just doesn't matter, right?

 

[StarChecker]

What's a lift or NPS?

Just in case you were wondering why we're really so concerned with NPS at JetBlue Airways...

"At JetBlue Airways, captains get their own customer rating based on survey questions about announcements and updates, and one-third of annual executive bonuses are tied to customer survey results."

- Wall Street Journal, April 3, 2013

 

[BeachBummer]

I havnt given an announcement since the deminimus raise and my $11.93 profit sharing check. I don't do favors, or other peoples jobs, and sure as he'll don't clean seats. No that's not a comma, I didn't miss place the decimal and it's not missing any zeros.

I almost got a lift award... I politely declined.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I jumpseated on a Jetblue flight a few years ago. I was sitting in the back with another Jetblue pilot. At the end of the flight he tried to give me a pair of blue rubber gloves and told me as a jumpseater it is common courtesy at Jetblue to help pick up trash. I told him I appreciate the ride, but I am not doing that. He didn't say anything else about it. True story. I think he was serious though because he put the gloves on and started picking up trash. I was a little embarrassed that an airline pilot is picking up trash in front of the passengers. At my airline, we have cleaners that do that while we greet the passengers.

 

[johnsonrod]

I jumpseated on a Jetblue flight a few years ago. I was sitting in the back with another Jetblue pilot. At the end of the flight he tried to give me a pair of blue rubber gloves and told me as a jumpseater it is common courtesy at Jetblue to help pick up trash. I told him I appreciate the ride, but I am not doing that. He didn't say anything else about it. True story. I think he was serious though because he put the gloves on and started picking up trash. I was a little embarrassed that an airline pilot is picking up trash in front of the passengers. At my airline, we have cleaners that do that while we greet the passengers.

Good for you! What's next - wiping off the pi$$ stains in front of the toilet between flights? That JB pilot signed up for that duty, not you...

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Good for you! What's next - wiping off the pi$$ stains in front of the toilet between flights? That JB pilot signed up for that duty, not you...

Not expected of jumpseaters at all and he was wrong to ask!


This whole thing originated from pass riding employees being asked to straighten their row and go. It somehow morphed into let's all don gloves and clean the entire plane while we jump over the passengers trying to deplane.


In case any jetblue pilots think it is actually your job you need to look in the FOM and see it is clearly defined that you don't.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Not expected of jumpseaters at all and he was wrong to ask!


This whole thing originated from pass riding employees being asked to straighten their row and go. It somehow morphed into let's all don gloves and clean the entire plane while we jump over the passengers trying to deplane.


In case any jetblue pilots think it is actually your job you need to look in the FOM and see it is clearly defined that you don't.

I wish more of the new hires would actually read the FOM....new guy in my pad was asked me about that, I vehemently told him that not only was NOT required but every passenger who was asked about it was against seeing any pilot cleaning. He told me during IOE the CKA was "highly encouraging" him to hurry back and clean....JFK/BOS the other day and the new FO was cleaning before I made it up to the front...

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

I jumpseated on a Jetblue flight a few years ago. I was sitting in the back with another Jetblue pilot. At the end of the flight he tried to give me a pair of blue rubber gloves and told me as a jumpseater it is common courtesy at Jetblue to help pick up trash. I told him I appreciate the ride, but I am not doing that. He didn't say anything else about it. True story. I think he was serious though because he put the gloves on and started picking up trash. I was a little embarrassed that an airline pilot is picking up trash in front of the passengers. At my airline, we have cleaners that do that while we greet the passengers.

I apologize for the morons we have on the property. No bluejet pilot or flight attendant should ever be asking or implying that an offline jump seater should ever help clean the plane. This practice is not "common courtesy."

If I ever see an offline pilot or flight attendant attempting to clean one of our planes, I politely tell them that they are our guests and they do not have to help clean our planes. On one particular occasion, my own inflight crew gave me the evil eye after telling some offline FAs that they didn't have to help clean the plane. I gladly reminded my inflight crew that these people are our guests, and that when we as bluejet pilots and flight attendants jumpseat on their aircraft, we are never asked to help clean. I also reminded them to look in their FAMs because there is guidance for this issue. Cleaning aircraft is part of the bluejet flight attendants' job description......period. Offering to help them is one thing, but please don't ever let anyone ask, imply, or insist that a jump seater should help clean.

 

[BeachBummer]

I apologize for the morons we have on the property. No bluejet pilot or flight attendant should ever be asking or implying that an offline jump seater should ever help clean the plane. This practice is not "common courtesy."

If I ever see an offline pilot or flight attendant attempting to clean one of our planes, I politely tell them that they are our guests and they do not have to help clean our planes. On one particular occasion, my own inflight crew gave me the evil eye after telling some offline FAs that they didn't have to help clean the plane. I gladly reminded my inflight crew that these people are our guests, and that when we as bluejet pilots and flight attendants jumpseat on their aircraft, we are never asked to help clean. I also reminded them to look in their FAMs because there is guidance for this issue. Cleaning aircraft is part of the bluejet flight attendants' job description......period. Offering to help them is one thing, but please don't ever let anyone ask, imply, or insist that a jump seater should help clean.

Well said x1000

 

[Fins Up]

I jumpseated on a Jetblue flight a few years ago. I was sitting in the back with another Jetblue pilot. At the end of the flight he tried to give me a pair of blue rubber gloves and told me as a jumpseater it is common courtesy at Jetblue to help pick up trash. I told him I appreciate the ride, but I am not doing that. He didn't say anything else about it. True story. I think he was serious though because he put the gloves on and started picking up trash. I was a little embarrassed that an airline pilot is picking up trash in front of the passengers. At my airline, we have cleaners that do that while we greet the passengers.

Unbelievable! One of our bluebells actually asked you to clean?? What a ******************************. If I see an OAL pilot looking like he's going to jump in and clean, I tell him not to. My reasoning is, "I'm not going to clean your plane so you don't need to clean mine." That's FA or contractor duty.

 

[pilotpayne]

Unbelievable! One of our bluebells actually asked you to clean?? What a ******************************. If I see an OAL pilot looking like he's going to jump in and clean, I tell him not to. My reasoning is, "I'm not going to clean your plane so you don't need to clean mine." That's FA or contractor duty.

Lets not get all out of control over one story.
I have yet to see ANY offline guy asked to do anything other than enjoy the ride. It's one story and if we want to go with things like this as the default for the pilot group than every United guy is an a$$ because of the one guy who was a TOTAL d--k to me while jumpseating but I just think he was the exception to the rule. Pilots DO NOT HAVE TO CLEAN.
I am a 190 guy so I am stuck with the FA's my policy is if they are nice and I am done with my job, my stuff is out of the flight deck, and all of the people are off I will go help out. If I am non reving I sit and wait till everyone leaves and help out. That is just me. I have seen plenty of non rev guys in uniform (jetblue) walk right out and I have seen them jump over seats, the answer as always is in the middle.

 

[linepilot]

Lets not get all out of control over one story.
I have yet to see ANY offline guy asked to do anything other than enjoy the ride. It's one story and if we want to go with things like this as the default for the pilot group than every United guy is an a$$ because of the one guy who was a TOTAL d--k to me while jumpseating but I just think he was the exception to the rule. Pilots DO NOT HAVE TO CLEAN.
I am a 190 guy so I am stuck with the FA's my policy is if they are nice and I am done with my job, my stuff is out of the flight deck, and all of the people are off I will go help out. If I am non reving I sit and wait till everyone leaves and help out. That is just me. I have seen plenty of non rev guys in uniform (jetblue) walk right out and I have seen them jump over seats, the answer as always is in the middle.

The "default" is clearly that this pilot group is weak, scared, and decades behind the power curve because they lack any foresight.

They CLEAN because they are WEAK.

They are WEAK because they are INFERIOR and SCARED. They need to feel secure in a servant relationship.

If you want to join a WEAK, INFERIOR, SCARED, pilot group with absolutely no foresight, then you should come to jetblew.

At the end of the day, you will be millions behind your peers and you will put your family in jeapordy.

Jetblew is BAD decision unless you plan to move up to a real airline.

 

[B6Driver]

One man's opinion......nothing more.

 

[pilotpayne]

The "default" is clearly that this pilot group is weak, scared, and decades behind the power curve because they lack any foresight.

They CLEAN because they are WEAK.

They are WEAK because they are INFERIOR and SCARED. They need to feel secure in a servant relationship.

If you want to join a WEAK, INFERIOR, SCARED, pilot group with absolutely no foresight, then you should come to jetblew.

At the end of the day, you will be millions behind your peers and you will put your family in jeapordy.

Jetblew is BAD decision unless you plan to move up to a real airline.

So are you weak, inferior, or scared?
I would go with just an A$$