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Jet Blue Pilots Files with N.M.B. for ALPA Representation

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Isnt the PVC close to getting scope

How are going to enforce any "scope" when you don't have a union? Do you have any idea how much money you would have to collect from each pilot to take a major airline to federal court to argue your case on scope? And what do you do when most of the pilots won't agree to contribute to the cause? Any "scope" that the PVC comes up with is worthless and unenforceable in practice. You need a union and a system board of adjustment process to have any sort of enforceable scope.

What sort of retirement is everyone pushing for? Personally, I would rather keep a 401k platform instead of something that can be taken away in a BK filing, or only get pennies on the dollar when it goes to the PBGC.

All of the ALPA major airlines have B-Funds now. A B-Fund is your own money in your own account, much like a 401k, and it can't be taken away in bankruptcy. The difference is that you don't have to contribute anything to get the money. For instance, we have a 10.5% B-Fund at AirTran. That means the company contributes 10.5% of my gross income to my own retirement account each pay check, without me having to contribute a dime. Much better than a simple 401k.

My last company had so many grievances filed that it took several years for the grievance to be completed.

A slow grievance process is usually the result of a lack of dedicated volunteers at your individual airline to keep the process moving. When pilots don't step up to do the work, then a bottleneck gets created that slows down the process. You don't see this so much at the major carriers, because the pilots are usually more involved in their careers, and there are enough people who are willing to do the work. At the regionals, which I'm guessing is where you came from, it is harder to find volunteers, especially qualified volunteers, so it's more difficult to keep the process moving. The lawyers do what they can, but if the pilots don't help themselves, then it's tough to get things done.

I have no doubt that you'll have plenty of dedicated volunteers at JetBlue. You already have the largest organizing committee ever created in ALPA history. You also have a management team that is far less hostile than most carriers. Those things combined will lead to an effective grievance process.

And usually the violations resulted in the loss of time off, which cant be given back even if you win the grievance.

Why do you say that? Pilots get time off awarded to them in grievance for contract violations all the time. In fact, it's probably more common to get paid days off awarded than it is to get cash awarded, since most grievances result from scheduling violations.

More serious grievances went to an arbitrator, which never went well for the pilots either.

ALPA wins 75% of the disciplinary cases that go to arbitration, and over 50% of the contract cases that go to arbitration. That's better than just about every other union in the country. The average is about 30% for all of organized labor nationwide.

I am 100% with you on the insurance costs, that definitely does suck, but what will we have to give up through a CBA in order to get those costs to change?

Why do you feel that you'll need to give something up? You work for a successful and growing company. There is no reason that they can't improve your insurance without you having to give them concessions in other areas. Once you have a legal collective bargaining agent, and the assistance of the NMB, you'll have some leverage to get improvements. Until then, you have no leverage.
 
Pilotyip is a troll. He may in fact be the nicest guy in the world, I don't know. He likes to argue with anyone and everyone. It's growing old, very old.
and you don't? The ignore button is useful in fixing this. Free speech, well it is so american
 
Pilotyip is a troll. He may in fact be the nicest guy in the world, I don't know. He likes to argue with anyone and everyone. It's growing old, very old.

If you think he is a troll then don't feed him. ALPA expects it leaders to be able to vilify pilots that complain, and ignore pilots that complain twice. :pimp:
 
How are going to enforce blah blah blah? Do you have any idea how much money you would have to collect from each pilot to enforce blah blah blah.

Just ask pilots from TWA, United, USAir, Eastern, Braniff, National, Piedmont, Atlas, Polar, Continental, AWA, American, etc. etc. etc. about how ALPA enforces blah blah blah.

Or just ask them how much money ALPA collects. :D

Oh, yeah. P.S. We are ALPA and all that $h!t, unless we change our mind.
 
Alpo didn't even follow it's own merger policy, it invented extracurricular bull******************** 'committees' designed to try and get the AWA pilots to bend over and give the east what they wanted(after the arbitrator already rejected all that ********************). Prater interjected his own biases, predjudices, and politics into it. And he didn't operate in a vacumn.

I hope the TWA guys give em a good swift kick in the balls with this lawsuit. ******************** ALPO.

If anyone from Jet Blue expects ALPO to make a positive difference in a merger with AA, they need to have their heads examined.
 
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Alpo didn't even follow it's own merger policy, it invented extracurricular bull******************** 'committees' designed to try and get the AWA pilots to bend over and give the east what they wanted(after the arbitrator already rejected all that ********************). Prater interjected his own biases, predjudices, and politics into it. And he didn't operate in a vacumn.

I hope the TWA guys give em a good swift kick in the balls with this lawsuit. ******************** ALPO.

If anyone from Jet Blue expects ALPO to make a positive difference in a merger with AA, they need to have their heads examined.


We have many ex-TWA folks on board for ALPA at J.B. They dont get caught up in emotions, just make sound decisions. They are all part of the suit against ALPA, but yet support ALPA at Jetblue. Ask your self why would they support the devil after being " screwed so hard"?
 
You must work at a different J.B. because your 7500.00 per year would equal about $375,000.00 per year. I highly doubt that. Get your facts straight about dues.

No, he is right...He is one of the check airman that has made close to 400K recently...You know which 2 guys I am talking about...:laugh:
 
We have many ex-TWA folks on board for ALPA at J.B. They dont get caught up in emotions, just make sound decisions. They are all part of the suit against ALPA, but yet support ALPA at Jetblue. Ask your self why would they support the devil after being " screwed so hard"?

I understand. If I were to have an alpo vote in front of me at LCC I would vote for them. I just like to make noise sometimes, and after what they pulled I will only refer to them as alpo, I figure that's fair enough.

After living with usapa, it's impossible to make a legitimate argument that alpo is worse, or any other union for that matter.

In all seriousness, if I were a Jet Blue guy I would vote alpo.
 
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We have many ex-TWA folks on board for ALPA at J.B. They dont get caught up in emotions, just make sound decisions. They are all part of the suit against ALPA, but yet support ALPA at Jetblue. Ask your self why would they support the devil after being " screwed so hard"?

They want to fund ALPO long enough to keep them a viable org until they win their court battle. :D
 
Ask yourself whether USAPA's "leadership" could get away with the things they've pulled if they were under the oversight of ALPA national. Take away the seniority integration entirely and just focus on USAPA's accomplishments since it has been in existance. Don't blame the dissenters for Cleary's impotence. He and the rest of the leadership have purposely taken on a "little man" combative stance that everyone laughs at.

Why does that matter at JetBlue? Because the very same sort of union hijancking is much more difficult when it is part of a larger organization that can buffer the immature antics that some unions (cults) try to get away with and which undermine or destroy their ability to provide the services their members are paying for.
 
outlaw alpa out law alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa
 
The anti-ALPA crowd never has a good solution. They whine, bitch, and moan but they never have anything but some kind of emotional response. I've heard it all; ALPA screwed my grandmother, ALPA didn't keep my job at my bankrupt employer, ALPA was mean to me, an so on. Pull your pants up boys and girls and take charge of your career. Quit sitting around and being a passenger in life.

The in-house thing would be a paper tiger with not a tooth in its mouth. Do I love ALPA? Nope. Will it fix all our problems? Nope.

At the end of the day it's about continuing on with a system that is out date and ineffective. The PVC members are hard workers but it's about as effective as a kindergarten student council.
 
The anti-ALPA crowd never has a good solution. They whine, bitch, and moan but they never have anything but some kind of emotional response. I've heard it all; ALPA screwed my grandmother, ALPA didn't keep my job at my bankrupt employer, ALPA was mean to me, an so on. Pull your pants up boys and girls and take charge of your career. Quit sitting around and being a passenger in life.

The in-house thing would be a paper tiger with not a tooth in its mouth. Do I love ALPA? Nope. Will it fix all our problems? Nope.

At the end of the day it's about continuing on with a system that is out date and ineffective. The PVC members are hard workers but it's about as effective as a kindergarten student council.
and the pro-ALPA, doesn't do the same thing, play to emotions, bitch, etc?
 

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