Jet Blue Pilots Files with N.M.B. for ALPA Representation

[sligo1]

Alpo didn't even follow it's own merger policy, it invented extracurricular bull******************** 'committees' designed to try and get the AWA pilots to bend over and give the east what they wanted(after the arbitrator already rejected all that ********************). Prater interjected his own biases, predjudices, and politics into it. And he didn't operate in a vacumn.

I hope the TWA guys give em a good swift kick in the balls with this lawsuit. ******************** ALPO.

If anyone from Jet Blue expects ALPO to make a positive difference in a merger with AA, they need to have their heads examined.

We have many ex-TWA folks on board for ALPA at J.B. They dont get caught up in emotions, just make sound decisions. They are all part of the suit against ALPA, but yet support ALPA at Jetblue. Ask your self why would they support the devil after being " screwed so hard"?

 

[CTflyer]

You must work at a different J.B. because your 7500.00 per year would equal about $375,000.00 per year. I highly doubt that. Get your facts straight about dues.

No, he is right...He is one of the check airman that has made close to 400K recently...You know which 2 guys I am talking about...:laugh:

 

[vetrider]

We have many ex-TWA folks on board for ALPA at J.B. They dont get caught up in emotions, just make sound decisions. They are all part of the suit against ALPA, but yet support ALPA at Jetblue. Ask your self why would they support the devil after being " screwed so hard"?

I understand. If I were to have an alpo vote in front of me at LCC I would vote for them. I just like to make noise sometimes, and after what they pulled I will only refer to them as alpo, I figure that's fair enough.

After living with usapa, it's impossible to make a legitimate argument that alpo is worse, or any other union for that matter.

In all seriousness, if I were a Jet Blue guy I would vote alpo.

 

[Turtle21]

We have many ex-TWA folks on board for ALPA at J.B. They dont get caught up in emotions, just make sound decisions. They are all part of the suit against ALPA, but yet support ALPA at Jetblue. Ask your self why would they support the devil after being " screwed so hard"?

They want to fund ALPO long enough to keep them a viable org until they win their court battle.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Ask yourself whether USAPA's "leadership" could get away with the things they've pulled if they were under the oversight of ALPA national. Take away the seniority integration entirely and just focus on USAPA's accomplishments since it has been in existance. Don't blame the dissenters for Cleary's impotence. He and the rest of the leadership have purposely taken on a "little man" combative stance that everyone laughs at.

Why does that matter at JetBlue? Because the very same sort of union hijancking is much more difficult when it is part of a larger organization that can buffer the immature antics that some unions (cults) try to get away with and which undermine or destroy their ability to provide the services their members are paying for.

 

[flynvixen]

outlaw alpa out law alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa

 

[miles otoole]

outlaw alpa out law alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa outlaw alpa

Did alpa pork your husband or something?

 

[B6Busdriver]

The anti-ALPA crowd never has a good solution. They whine, bitch, and moan but they never have anything but some kind of emotional response. I've heard it all; ALPA screwed my grandmother, ALPA didn't keep my job at my bankrupt employer, ALPA was mean to me, an so on. Pull your pants up boys and girls and take charge of your career. Quit sitting around and being a passenger in life.

The in-house thing would be a paper tiger with not a tooth in its mouth. Do I love ALPA? Nope. Will it fix all our problems? Nope.

At the end of the day it's about continuing on with a system that is out date and ineffective. The PVC members are hard workers but it's about as effective as a kindergarten student council.

 

[pilotyip]

The anti-ALPA crowd never has a good solution. They whine, bitch, and moan but they never have anything but some kind of emotional response. I've heard it all; ALPA screwed my grandmother, ALPA didn't keep my job at my bankrupt employer, ALPA was mean to me, an so on. Pull your pants up boys and girls and take charge of your career. Quit sitting around and being a passenger in life.

The in-house thing would be a paper tiger with not a tooth in its mouth. Do I love ALPA? Nope. Will it fix all our problems? Nope.

At the end of the day it's about continuing on with a system that is out date and ineffective. The PVC members are hard workers but it's about as effective as a kindergarten student council.

and the pro-ALPA, doesn't do the same thing, play to emotions, bitch, etc?

 

[B6Busdriver]

and the pro-ALPA, doesn't do the same thing, play to emotions, bitch, etc?

As I said no solutions freight dog.

 

[ultrarunner]

I'd be OK with ALPA representation if they agreed not to represent pilot groups in an effort to take my flying. Did you ask them that?

At the end of the day, it's best to have a group that ONLY works for the interest of the group, and indirectly the company.

ALPA national has their own agenda, which is fine. You do get what you pay for. It's too bad the internal campaign got hosed.....oh well....

Good luck guys....

 

[JJthejetplane]

A lot of bad things happened over the last decade that was detrimental to the airline industry. Without a doubt, there were some losers--many pilots lost jobs, were downgraded, lost pensions, etc. However, I don't believe that ALPA were the ones that approached management and asked for concessionary contracts, furloughs, and to dissolve pensions. Times were tough, and many management teams were not up to the task. For those of you that say ALPA didn't help "me" or ALPA caused this mess, think about what the outcome would have been if ALPA wasn't there. What if management had free-will to do what ever they wanted to their pilot groups. Although ALPA isn't anywhere close to perfect, I would rather have them protecting me than putting my future in the hands of a management team whose job is ultimately to increase the wealth of the shareholders. There will be future furloughs in this industry, along with other challenges that we haven't even thought of at this time, so do you trust management to stand up and fight for you?
Let's say ALPA is in it only for the money . . . well, that is incentive for them to fight for our jobs and increase pay. What is management's incentive? Minimize labor costs; this can be accomplished by lower pay and fewer workers.
Can you really not vote for ALPA simply because you got screwed at TWA or USAir? ALPA did lose those battles along with many others, but at least they were in the battle. What would be different now if there were no union for TWA and/or USAir. Would you be better off now? Would you still be employed with a fair compensation package?

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Blue Bayou make over $384,000/year?

No but I did make 250K last year. More than most ALPA pilots in my year group and aircraft. That $7500 is including the assessments that will be laid on us after the TWA lawsuit. It might be even more to cover the fixed costs of ALPA when DAL and UAL pilots leave to form their own in-house unions. Oh yeah, don't forget the 1700 pilots from Airtran who will be going to SWAPA too...

 

[Dan Roman]

No but I did make 250K last year. More than most ALPA pilots in my year group and aircraft. That $7500 is including the assessments that will be laid on us after the TWA lawsuit. It might be even more to cover the fixed costs of ALPA when DAL and UAL pilots leave to form their own in-house unions. Oh yeah, don't forget the 1700 pilots from Airtran who will be going to SWAPA too...

Just curious, is that the norm for JetBlue pilots or what YOU made and most don't make that? Should everyone cast their vote based on what YOU made? Are there others not being compensated as well but should not vote for a union because YOU made that?
A union, any union, is about trying to represent all pilots and trying to keep it as fair as possible for everyone. It also is about trying to prevent opportunists from taking advantage of others.

 

[Dizel8]

My math might be a bit off, secondly not sure what BB included in his pay, but if it is just pay, he averages about 110-120hrs credit a month. Certainly not the norm.

 

[Dan Roman]

My math might be a bit off, secondly not sure what BB included in his pay, but if it is just pay, he averages about 110-120hrs credit a month. Certainly not the norm.

And certainly nothing to be proud about. Pushing the boundaries of "productivity" for money at the expense of safety is not good. Some people have a lifestyle that allows for flying their arse off and trying to make as much money as they can as quick as they can. But as an industry norm it's asking for trouble. It will eventually backfire, fatally.

 

[B6Busdriver]

No but I did make 250K last year. More than most ALPA pilots in my year group and aircraft. That $7500 is including the assessments that will be laid on us after the TWA lawsuit. It might be even more to cover the fixed costs of ALPA when DAL and UAL pilots leave to form their own in-house unions. Oh yeah, don't forget the 1700 pilots from Airtran who will be going to SWAPA too...

How does it feel to be a slave?

 

[Dizel8]

That $7500 is including the assessments that will be laid on us after the TWA lawsuit.

I guess you are psychic as well, since the lawsuit hasn't been settled. Further, since I did ask that question of ALPA, the answer is that you would not be paying for a judgement against ALPA should it come to that.

 

[waveflyer]

Hey seriously.

WHO NEGOTIATES FOR JETBLU PILOTS NOW??

 

[145 Lawndart]

Hey seriously.

WHO NEGOTIATES FOR JETBLU PILOTS NOW??

NOBODY!!!

The PVC does not negotiate, they make suggestions then mgmt say's "no we can't afford it" or on the topic of scope they say "We can't restrict the company from taking advantage of future opportunities" or "Trust us we don't have any plans to outsource pilot jobs"