It's like AT ALPA is trying to burn their undeserved lottery ticket...

[tzskipper]

And $2B in aquired debt.

Fair enough. The only point was to clarify the fact that the net cash impact to SWA was $35 million. This was in response to the following statement (which did not contain a mention of acquired debt. Had it, then there would have to be a discussion of acquired assets besides cash):

Do you not agree SWA pilots sacrificed a minimum three years of no growth/zero upgrades so cash could be accumulated for the eventual buyout of AAI? That money could have purchased SWA jets, not AT jets.

S

 

[scoreboardII]

I understand your point, but how Gary decided to pay the bill; barter, stock, trading cards is irrelevant. The fact remains SWA hoarded cash for over three years banking an extra 1.5B.

 

[tzskipper]

I understand your point, but how Gary decided to pay the bill; barter, stock, trading cards is irrelevant. The fact remains SWA hoarded cash for over three years banking an extra 1.5B.

Agreed.

S

 

[The Prussian]

plus,...growth fueled by rapidly buying shiney new jets on a credit card....can amount to quick upgrades, but then.......

 

[canyonblue]

Could we please get a thread where we don't have to see the Double Delto Morons and their new buddy Lumbcrap. And while we are purging the lav, stuff the Alaska goofball in the craptank. It's pathetic how you guys, who have no connection to either SWA or AAI, continue to post on our threads. The jealousy is rather pitiful. I know that Southwest threads are the only thing important in aviation right now, but try being a little less covetous, it's actually rather sad.

 

[Kharma Police]

Could we please get a thread where we don't have to see the Double Delto Morons and their new buddy Lumbcrap. And while we are purging the lav, stuff the Alaska goofball in the craptank. It's pathetic how you guys, who have no connection to either SWA or AAI, continue to post on our threads. The jealousy is rather pitiful. I know that Southwest threads are the only thing important in aviation right now, but try being a little less covetous, it's actually rather sad.

What I find intriguing is that you guys respond to them.............

 

[Fubijaakr]

Could we please get a thread where we don't have to see the Double Delto Morons and their new buddy Lumbcrap. And while we are purging the lav, stuff the Alaska goofball in the craptank. It's pathetic how you guys, who have no connection to either SWA or AAI, continue to post on our threads. The jealousy is rather pitiful. I know that Southwest threads are the only thing important in aviation right now, but try being a little less covetous, it's actually rather sad.

Jealousy? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You SWA f/os and your titanic egos kill me. You all sound like UAL pilots did in the early '90s. They, however, learned humility the hard way.

Something tells me its a lesson you boys are going to get a taste of real soon. Remember, it was your CEO that said SWA would be shrinking. You know what that means? Furloughs and downgrades.

And a big, healthy, tasty serving of crow.

Bon apetit.

 

[GuppyWN]

Hater.

Gup

 

[NuGuy]

Seniority is forever. There may be more mergers in your future, but the next group may decide to go the arbitration route and you will still be stuck with whatever you decide here.


Bye Bye---General Lee

As much as I am loath to agree with the General, he is right on the mark here:

Contracts come and go, seniority is forever. The pay might look good today, but 2 years down the road, you could be facing a BIG pay cut to "save the company".

Then you don't have ANYTHING.

Same with the next merger. Take a crap deal now, and the NEXT group decides to fight for something better, and you lose twice.

Nu

 

[dicko]

Because you are getting AAI Captain rates by coming over to the SWAPA contract...plus an additional 10hr more on top of that, and not have to pay out the arse for health care. But I guess that doesn't count for much.

What do you mean by "10hr more" ? Our short call Reserve guarantee is 78hours.

What am I missing ?

 

[texman]

What do you mean by "10hr more" ? Our short call Reserve guarantee is 78hours.

What am I missing ?

Welcome to the world of productivity.LOL! Don't worry Dick, I will carry you and hold your hand through those six leg days.LOL!

 

[dicko]

Welcome to the world of productivity.LOL! Don't worry Dick, I will carry you and hold your hand through those six leg days.LOL!

You didn't answer the question and you called me a Dick .... ? I don't think your going to be holding anybodies hand Tex. Except your own.

By the way. You really don't find too many grown men using "LOL". You know that right ... ?

 

[SWA/FO]

seniority is forever

As long as your Company is still around. Ask anybody about their ATA seniority.

Nothing is forever, except death.

 

[On Your Six]

Could we please get a thread where we don't have to see the Double Delto Morons and their new buddy Lumbcrap. And while we are purging the lav, stuff the Alaska goofball in the craptank. It's pathetic how you guys, who have no connection to either SWA or AAI, continue to post on our threads. The jealousy is rather pitiful. I know that Southwest threads are the only thing important in aviation right now, but try being a little less covetous, it's actually rather sad.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAAAHHAHAHHA! Get your own forum! Oh no! "OUR THREADS...." I bet the 4 of us will continue to respond because we are right, and you know it. Jealousy? I like your payrate and look forward to getting something similar eventually, but I don't want your regional schedules and your narrowbody fleet forever. Quit your crying and give the AT guys something fair, and this will all die down. You're getting called out on your bad behavior towards your future coworkers, and everyone can see it. Have fun on OUR THREADS....


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

As long as your Company is still around. Ask anybody about their ATA seniority.

Nothing is forever, except death.

So the AT guys shouldn't fight for their seniority because you think SWA may not be around forever? How about being able to enjoy your seniority and what it brings while your company IS STILL AROUND? Is that worth fighting for? Do you think getting great pay but not having weekends off for your kids for years and living on a beeper or cell would be worth the large increase in pay? For years? And how do you know death is forever?


OYS

 

[SWA/FO]

So the AT guys shouldn't fight for their seniority because you think SWA may not be around forever? How about being able to enjoy your seniority and what it brings while your company IS STILL AROUND? Is that worth fighting for? Do you think getting great pay but not having weekends off for your kids for years and living on a beeper or cell would be worth the large increase in pay? For years? And how do you know death is forever?

Do you think over playing ones hand could backfire?

Do you think GK really likes the 717? The ATN guys know, he told them - he doesn't like the airplane.

Think Oil is going to go down? Think the economy will improve soon?

I think its all worth fighting for until you arrive at that fork in the road moment. This is that fork in the road moment. Yes, knowing what you are getting or No, taking a chance and hope you get something better? All this, before the CEO changes his mind about the company he just bought. Many things to consider. He has the excuse he needs to do almost anything to AirTran - and their counsel has told them about this risk.

Ah choices, ask any Frontier dude about taking chances and trying to see what is in the bush. Sometimes it works.

 

[tzskipper]

As long as your Company is still around. Ask anybody about their ATA seniority.

Nothing is forever, except death.

Yep. JD and GK did a heck of a getting rid that airline.

S

 

[GuppyWN]

Mikelsons ran it into bankruptcy before we showed up Slick.

Gup

 

[tzskipper]

Mikelsons ran it into bankruptcy before we showed up Slick.

Gup

From which ATA exited with JD at the helm, and then promptly began pulling out of the MDW markets, legitimizing a transaction allowing for SWA to acquire gate leases that ATA held. The airline had no chance of survival. As a reward (imo), JD got a nice seat on the LUV BOD.

"Slick"? That hurts.

I know business is business, but how about showing a little humility for the fact that much of SWA's growth (pilot advancement/upgrades)in MDW during this period came at the expense of many ATA pilots? Btw, the final transaction was LUV buying ATA in the last bankruptcy, just for the LGA slots.

I don't know. Maybe it really was a bad dream.

S

 

[The Prussian]

Actually, I think John Tague had more to do with running ATA into bankrupcy than anybody else.