IS SWAPA the "New" USAPA???? Arrogance abound!

[ivauir]

And, again you are acting unbelievably cocky. Guess what sport? Your pay rates are THANKS TO US at DL. We brought your rates up with our own pay rate jump in 2000.

Who is cocky? Pay at WN has been flat when adjusted for inflation for 35 years. Believe it or not the world doesn't revolve around Delta.

 

[Quimby]

You are really are piece of work GL with your "I can take it, always have" and we're all just misinformed and childish with our posts but yours are so well researched, mature, and spot on with accuracy.

Oh well, it's tough for us to compete with your tremendous wisdom. I suppose Gary Kelly will just back off his "no deal" unless labor agreement with us and F9 and he will bid for them anyway like you predict.

By the way, I've been sleeping for a couple days resting up after my 30 leg 2-day with a LBB overnite. Did I miss anything in the news?........

It's much easier just to put him on the ignore list.

 

[General Lee]

Who is cocky? Pay at WN has been flat when adjusted for inflation for 35 years. Believe it or not the world doesn't revolve around Delta.

Nobody has EVER gotten the Cost of Living Adjustment. Nope. That never seems to matter. What does matter is what OTHER airlines are getting for the same plane type (737), and you based your pay off of ours. Try to say otherwise, and you are LYING. WRONG......... You got your higher pay scale after we got ours. Thanks for playing....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

SWA's higher pay is thanks to you? Here's a dose of reality General, SWA pay adjusted for inflation is the same as it was in the 1970's!!! Thanks to you, ALPA has given enormous pay and benefit concessions, which you will never get back. SWA is on top by default, not by design, and no thanks to you.

PS - have you ever seen a SWA schedule? You like to talk about 5 leg days a lot. I know they exist, but I haven't seen one in a couple years. 3 legs is an average day. SWA thrives on productivity. It's not about the number of legs, it's about not wasting the pilot's time and the company's money with non-productive ground time. Pretty simple concept, somehow it's lost on most airlines.

WRONG. Your pay was enhanced due to our high pay at the time. There is NO way you can say otherwise, since no pilot pay is based off of Cost of Living adjustments. Nope. They are based off of what other airlines are paying on similar equipment.

And I have seen your schedules. They are VERY productive, but so is my 3 day trip from ATL to Stuttgart. I fly one leg over, and one back for 20 hours in a 3 day. I get a first class meal, a movie, and a short nap before we land, and then after another short nap I get to watch interesting people (babes) walk by the beer garten before a nice dinner. You, on the otherhand, get to fly 5 legs the first day and end up in Reno. If you started on AMs, you always do AMs, and that means another 5 legs the second day all the way towards New Orleans, for another short one. You end up doing 3 legs the last day (one long one), but after the long one you always have a couple more---meaning you are ZONKED when you are done. Hey, work hard--play hard. I used to fly that way in the Regionals.(Commuters back then) Not anymore. If I get tired of INTL flying, there is plenty of domestic flying I could do too--our INTL category on the 767ER in ATL has plenty of 4 day Domestic trips worth 22 plus hours. I recently did an Anchorage trip for the fun of it, had some great Crab legs and brew at the brew pub up there. So, you can keep doing your multi-leg, quick turn trips that are productive. Enjoy it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You are really are piece of work GL with your "I can take it, always have" and we're all just misinformed and childish with our posts but yours are so well researched, mature, and spot on with accuracy.

Oh well, it's tough for us to compete with your tremendous wisdom. I suppose Gary Kelly will just back off his "no deal" unless labor agreement with us and F9 and he will bid for them anyway like you predict.

By the way, I've been sleeping for a couple days resting up after my 30 leg 2-day with a LBB overnite. Did I miss anything in the news?........

Yeah, speaking of bidding, Gary Kelly did great with the F9 bid. Check out what some analyst said about his performance with the F9 deal:

Southwest 'naive'
Critics who watched the process closely said Southwest's bid wasn't ready for prime time. Southwest executives "seemed not to understand the dynamics of the process or the obvious bottlenecks and complexities involved," said industry consultant Mo Garfinkle of Arlington, Va. Southwest "was naive and it didn't know it. It underestimated Republic and its talented management team, and it overestimated the reception to a Southwest bid, especially by the Frontier stakeholders. (from the Dallas Morning News article)


I sure am glad he is so nice to you guys. Maybe he will underestimate you guys too for your TA, and you will make $1 million an hour......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GuppyWN]

General,

You never cease to amaze me. Honestly, I could give a rat's ass about what YOU make. I care what I make.

As far as Gary Kellys performance with F9? Time will tell. He's make a couple bonehead moves and NOT made moves when I thought he should but my business card says Captain, not CEO. My future is tied to his so I can only hope that he learned something from his look at F9's books and being how he is a trained bean counter I can only imagine he saw what he wanted to.

If you are really naive enough to think that his "word" about not pissing off the pilots stood in the way of shareholder return on equity then you truly are an idiot.

Gup

 

[Tripower455]

GL,

International is overrated. My dad did it for 21 years at Pan Am, then went domestic when he upgraded. He looked and felt better as well as losing a few lbs. He went back to international on the A310 and immediately started hating it. He ended up retiring off the 727 after getting exessed off the 'bus at DAL and, even though the pay wasn't as good, was much happier and healthier.....


I'll take my 12 day, 3 on 4 off, $200K+, no jet lag, commuter schedule over just about any other majors scheduling.......


Oh, and 13k posts on FI? No offense intended, but you really need a hobby. Get a Harley or something.... you'll be much happier....

 

[Bako Cap]

My future is tied to his so I can only hope that he learned something from his look at F9's books and being how he is a trained bean counter I can only imagine he saw what he wanted to.

Mesa got sued and lost for doing such an act.

 

[GuppyWN]

I know that and I'm positive Gary Kelly knows that. Mesa wasn't in the same markets at the same time they put the screws to Aloha.

I'm just sayin'.

Gup

 

[ivauir]

WRONG. Your pay was enhanced due to our high pay at the time. There is NO way you can say otherwise, since no pilot pay is based off of Cost of Living adjustments. Nope. They are based off of what other airlines are paying on similar equipment.

GL,

Adults are capable of disagreeing and use fact to build their arguments. Maybe you should try it sometime.

It is a FACT that our inflation indexed pay has been flat since 1978.

 

[Cobra17]

Good luck with that and your 5 leg days.
Bye Bye--General Lee

Speaking of 5 legs, tell you're mom I said hi.

 

[ASADFW7]

Is this pile on GL day? I used to live in Atlanta, I know the type you ask to jumpseat and introduce yourself and you hear for ten minutes what is wrong with your airline. Yadi Yadi ya.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

General,

It is obvious that you:
- don't like SWA,
- don't understand contract negitiations,
- are naive to the airline biz.

I don't care what anyone else makes. I care about what our company can afford and still be profitable and grow. You get hung up on simple pay rates and you are doomed. TP455 has it right. It is about QOL. Less per hour and a more productive schedule equals better life and more usually money.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Top to bottom SLI is just as unfair as stapling the F9 guys. Looks like SWAPA didn't try too hard to make this happen.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Cobra,
I think you just cracked the code!!!!