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Yes I do know the crappy proposal the company offered. I agree..it was very crappy but you said it yourself...pick your poison. The planes with a crappy contract or vote it down and lose the planes. My opinion is to secure the flying and work on the rest of the issuses later. But, all TSA pilots want to do is blame me and my pilot group, the NMB and everyone else but themselves for the situation that they are in. I do actually feel for the pilot group and the position that they (you) are in. But, the blame game is a little old.
SKIPPY i voted no then and dont regret it
My opinion is to secure the flying and work on the rest of the issuses later.
I'll fly back from Vietnam for THAT BBQ........
Make sure Fat Bastard is there on the spit as well !!
You obviously have not dealt with (our) management. This point of view is beyond naive. How much later? 10 years? 20? It's not about being friends with mgt, this is a business for both sides. Once a contract is signed, nothing will improve unless both sides are forced back to the negotiating table. Btw I wouldn't like to hold hands with MW, Fat Bastard or Uncle H. anyway.
I understand how your mgt operates. My point being, the pilot group had a choice...a very, very crappy choice but a choice nonetheless. When the end result was not what the pilots wanted, it is GoJet's fault. I'm just saying that the blame game is really old when they should be looking in the mirror. I do agree with the comments in many other threads that the first pilots to come here WAS/IS crappy. But, the fact is most of those pilots are the Trans States lifers who have no ambition in life and will NEVER leave TSH...EVER. I've always wondered why anyone would stay at this craphole place called TSH any longer than needed. But, some people have no ambition in life. I have gotten off point and for that I apologize.
GoJet is a direct result of two things: The APA clause and the fact that the pilots said no to a crappy proposal. We just protected our profession. There were certain backstabbers from TSA that went over only to fulfill their goals in a egoistic, selfish manner: Fly a bigger airplane. One of them (DT) told me once that he could foresee regional airlines flying A318/319 in a few years. His thought pattern was to lower himself so much in order to fly the equipment he wanted. What an amazing amount of nonesense I had listened to on an almost four-hour round trip!
TSA lifers do not represent the majority of the TSA pilot group. As a matter of fact, there was very little movement anywhere, so many of us where forced to stay put and became "lifers", like we came with the intentions to do our time and leave; since 9/11 things have not worked as they have in the past. The temporarily hiring boom by the LCC/nationals/legacy carriers had transformed quite a few "lifers" to people looking for a new opportunity. It's not the lack of ambition, but more like the risk to take (especially if you have family).
*GoJet represents unscrupulous mgt who lure pilots with fake and unserious promises with the intention to take as much advantage out of them as possible.
*GoJet represents pilots that are willing to burn bridges and stab their colleges in the back in an insidious manner, in order to cut in front of the line (quick upgrade etc.).
*GoJet represents certain pilots that were well aware of TSH mgt methods and still decided to cross the line.
You obviously have not dealt with (our) management. This point of view is beyond naive. How much later? 10 years? 20? It's not about being friends with mgt, this is a business for both sides. Once a contract is signed, nothing will improve unless both sides are forced back to the negotiating table. Btw I wouldn't like to hold hands with MW, Fat Bastard or Uncle H. anyway.
*GoJet represents pilots that are willing to burn bridges and stab their colleges in the back in an insidious manner, in order to cut in front of the line (quick upgrade etc.).
*GoJet represents certain pilots that were well aware of TSH mgt methods and still decided to cross the line.