is 40 to 45 too old to get hired at a major?

[DCAA320]

Randy Cunningham, Navy ace Vietnam, was a Phys Ed major.

Well being a phys ed major would be a plus in low tech planes, and randy became stupid.

I can tell you this, the less educated guys had/have problems with the Airbus, some didn't make it through the transition.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I can tell you this, the less educated guys had/have problems with the Airbus, some didn't make it through the transition.

Hum yeah! I'm sure the 250 hour pilots around the world getting certified in AB (that don't have a degree in agronomy, business management or any other thing completely unrelated to aviation) have some sort of mystical powers helping them along......! LOL you say it as if you truly believed that nonsense :laugh:

 

[DCAA320]

Hum yeah! I'm sure the 250 hour pilots around the world getting certified in AB (that don't have a degree in agronomy, business management or any other thing completely unrelated to aviation) have some sort of mystical powers helping them along......! LOL you say it as if you truly believed that nonsense :laugh:

That is absolutely not what I was saying and I know it's hard for you to comprehend but FYI the education of students in many places around the world up to HS, is vastly superior to the United States. I was not talking about new hires btw.

LOL??? Read my post, I have witnessed it.

I do consider you a dumb pilot, just agreeing with your screen name in addition to you making comments of things you know nothing about.

 

[HA25]

Hum yeah! I'm sure the 250 hour pilots around the world getting certified in AB (that don't have a degree in agronomy, business management or any other thing completely unrelated to aviation) have some sort of mystical powers helping them along......! LOL you say it as if you truly believed that nonsense :laugh:

for the 10th time... let it sink in this time please..

Those ab-initio pilots are HIGHLY vetted and tested before being let into these programs... these are the guys who can land Masters Degrees in science here in the US... APPLES TO ORANGES.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Maybe I don't have a fundamental grasp of basic economics, but shouldn't we -- as labor -- be striving to make the barriers-to-entry in this profession as high as possible? Or should we tear those barriers down, and set up a system where anyone can go to a trade school for 6 months and replace us for half the pay?

 

[HA25]

Maybe I don't have a fundamental grasp of basic economics, but shouldn't we -- as labor -- be striving to make the barriers-to-entry in this profession as high as possible? Or should we tear those barriers down, and set up a system where anyone can go to a trade school for 6 months and replace us for half the pay?

shhhhh, quiet! You've just exposed Yips master plan in cahoots with the ATA and Cohen! It's all out now... he's ruined!

fog a mirror / memorize ATP written / slide by designee rides = meat in the seat.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

That is absolutely not what I was saying and I know it's hard for you to comprehend but FYI the education of students in many places around the world up to HS, is vastly superior to the United States. I was not talking about new hires btw.

All my education was abroad (HS, college & post graduate) I know the difference!

Those ab-initio pilots are HIGHLY vetted and tested before being let into these programs... these are the guys who can land Masters Degrees in science here in the US... APPLES TO ORANGES.

Only a small portion of companies abroad have AB Initio programs but the vast majority don't require you to tick a box by studying agriculture or business management to fly an airplane! What other career do you know that could be practiced with a completely unrelated degree?

I've also had the fortune of flying with pilots from all over the world and all backgrounds and level of academia that wasn't related to this career.

 

[HA25]

Only a small portion of companies abroad have AB Initio programs but the vast majority don't require you to tick a box by studying agriculture or business management to fly an airplane! What other career do you know that could be practiced with a completely unrelated degree?

Well... you can become an Architect with a Master's Degree in Architecture (essentially a 2 year trade school) from Portland State University with an undergrad degree in anything..

Or you can become a Doctor or Dentist with an undergrad degree in just about any unrelated science, even if "pre-med" is the typical route, which is biology of some sorts.

I know of several professionals working in fields that they DO NOT have a degree in, but they do have A DEGREE.

The biggest problem flight training in the US has is the lack of any college credit for ratings and such. If one effectively got a 2 year equivalent Masters Degree from 0-ATP training, it would line up more with the rest of the "professions" you see out there... Law, Medicine, Engineering, etc..

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I have such a large sampling of pilots from all over the world that I know, and in some cases have helped train.. I can tell you that the US has some of the lowest standards for what is expected "educationally" out of a pilot of anywhere... including the 3rd world. It's entirely up to the hiring company to set any REAL standards. So the requirement of a college degree is just one of those standards, to thin thru the lazy and undesirable types. Lack of a college degree isn't a sure bet you're lazy, but it's a good bet you might be on average more lazy than the guy with one.

I've also had the fortune of flying with pilots from all over the world and all backgrounds and level of academia that wasn't related to this career.

As have I and I've yet to meet a pilot from outside the US that wasn't better trained and vetted than 90% of our pilots. Again, the airline is what sets the standard, not our training system or the FAA... those are rock bottom at best.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

As have I and I've yet to meet a pilot from outside the US that wasn't better trained and vetted than 90% of our pilots. Again, the airline is what sets the standard, not our training system or the FAA... those are rock bottom at best.

So we agree that a degree is not necessary and it's just used as some sort of filter.....! Right?

To me it would benefit the industry not to use it as a box to tick, but rather as part of the overall package, recently I flew with a guy that doesn't have a degree but has been very successful with his side business and has several employees working for him, me being a small business owner myself had a great 3 day trip with this very smart and experienced individual that has a lot of good people skills and good management skills acquired with real life experiences (the university of life as my old man calls it) good stick too! I see why everywhere else a degree is not viewed as the "must" to get quality airmen & women!

I respect your opinion but in my 32 years in this business, I've seen nothing that tells me a degree on its own would determine the quality of the operator.

 

[Scrapdog]

Considering many pilots have next to no people skills- and communication and getting along with people in really close quarters is a big part of the job- I absolutely would not want a pilot group that is completely void of a wide and varied backgrounds and yes; degree programs. Remember we all influence each other.

It's certainly not moronic- and I too have an aviation business degree from a regular school.

God forbid we have all aviation nerds who have nothing else to add...

Where did you do your undergrad?

 

[pilotyip]

Well being a phys ed major would be a plus in low tech planes, and randy became stupid.

I can tell you this, the less educated guys had/have problems with the Airbus, some didn't make it through the transition.

Right comparing someone graduating from Top Gun with honors, landing an F-4 at night on a boat, and becoming an Ace is nothing compared to progrmaing a FMS on a Airbus. I used to stand bridge watches with a guy who was his wingman the day he shot down the 3 Migs. Randy may have had some ego issues, but it does not take away from his ability to fly and airplane.

 

[DCAA320]

Right comparing someone graduating from Top Gun with honors, landing an F-4 at night on a boat, and becoming an Ace is nothing compared to progrmaing a FMS on a Airbus. I used to stand bridge watches with a guy who was his wingman the day he shot down the 3 Migs. Randy may have had some ego issues, .but it does not take away from his ability to fly and airplane

100% AGREED, today though, programming the FMS is a requirement,

isn't he in jail right now?

 

[DCAA320]

I've seen nothing that tells me a degree on its own would determine the quality of the operator.

No one is saying that.

Seriously dude, graduating from college ain't that hard.

 

[waveflyer]

Where did you do your undergrad?

I did it in college, thanks for asking

 

[waveflyer]

To back up HA's point

http://www.advising.ufl.edu/faq/law.html
http://www.getyourmd.com/undergraduate-degree-for-psychiatry-t243.html
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com...1-undergraduate-degree-for-dental-school.html

I'll save you more links you won't click on-
Most professions require post grad- and I couldn't find one that cared what your degree was in- but all required a degree.

So this is a truly dumb thread creep started by yip again-
If you want to be a dentist, doctor, psychiatrist, MfCC, architect, MBA, Or JD- it literally does not matter what degree you get. Just meet the requirements to apply to your next school.
The only profession I've found that does care is engineering. Which is probably due to the volume if work required, but again, there is still an MS track if you have a BS in any science.

I swear this is a thread out of idiocracy

 

[learflyer]

Well. To be a doctor I think most med schools would require an undergrad in premed, microbiology, or chemistry.

 

[waveflyer]

Well. To be a doctor I think most med schools would require an undergrad in premed, microbiology, or chemistry.

"You don't need a degree that will prepare you for the MCAT. The required pre-med classes are all you need to prepare for the MCAT - that's 1 year biology, 1 year general chemistry, 1 year organic chemistry, and 1 year of physics. You can major in most any field - as most majors still allow plenty of elective time.

Having said that, if you take all of the pre-med requirements, you will be close to filling a biology major at most colleges. But, like I said, you can fulfill the pre-med requirements majoring in almost any field.

Also, I would be very surprised if you couldn't take all of the pre-med classes and meet the requirements for a psychology major in 4 years - I don't think there are THAT many requirements for psychology degrees."

 

[pilotyip]

isn't he in jail right now?

yea about 4-5 years now, he had some baggage, Silver Star, MIG Ace, never gets Squadron Command, well he did get Top Gun CO. Never makes it beyond O-5. His USAF counterpart Richie makes O-8. Go figure

 

[Sir Innocenti]

No one is saying that.

Seriously dude, graduating from college ain't that hard.

Graduating isn't hard, paying for it is! Not all of us were able to get loans and grants. Company ceasing operations and living on savings/401k, paying for cancer treatment, damn, my 19 years of experience should count for something. Just trying to show people there are always extenuating circumstances.....

 

[Dan Roman]

Graduating isn't hard, paying for it is! Not all of us were able to get loans and grants. Company ceasing operations and living on savings/401k, paying for cancer treatment, damn, my 19 years of experience should count for something. Just trying to show people there are always extenuating circumstances.....

Well said! FWIW, two of the best airline pilots I ever flew with started flying twin beeches after high school rather than go to college. That said, I've flown with great pilots from all the various backgrounds (Civ, Mil, college, no college), ironically the weakest tend to be the one's that think their particular background is superior. The best seem to understand that a good pilot can come from any background.