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What's ironic is that all non bargaining employees at NJA just took a major benefits hit...

Wonder how long it will take before NJI takes a hit in their benefits too.

Fortunately the NJA pilots have a very good CBA that protects benefits for a very long time.....
 
They can ask for concessions from NJASAP, but I highly recommend they wear ear plugs if they show that much gall to a group that was waaay underpaid for years. I strongly suspect the response would be something along the lines of "Not just no, but HELL NO!" to put it in polite terms. Actually, I think many would favor an earthier reply.

Far better to be in the position of defending a fair CBA than worrying what will happen next, all the while knowing that you can do nothing about it...:eek: Best of luck to the stray cats, NJW
 
ghostrider64 said:
What's ironic is that all non bargaining employees at NJA just took a major benefits hit...

Wonder how long it will take before NJI takes a hit in their benefits too.

Fortunately the NJA pilots have a very good CBA that protects benefits for a very long time.....
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Non-pilot NJI employees received the same e-mail today outlining the benefit changes. It appears management is treating the NJI pilot group as if they were already bargaining employees and have not notified us of any changes. My guess is, changes to the NJA pilot CBA (if any) will be applied to the NJI pilot group in short order.

Keep in mind also that if a furlough occurs, integration of NJI and NJA will likely be accelerated dramatically due to the restrictive outsourcing language in the contract.

I haven't confirmed whether NJI F/A's have been affected by today's announcement.
 
gutshotdraw said:
I haven't confirmed whether NJI F/A's have been affected by today's announcement.
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I confirmed that the FAs were affected.

My question is are pilots at NJI still unhappy about becoming a Union workforce? My guess is the Koolaid has finally worn off and the light is being turned on brightly.

That is incredibly IRONIC
 
Yes, F/A's at NJI are subject to the benefit changes. And RTRHD is right. This tour could $uck. Kind of like 2006 all over again....
 
RTRHD said:
I want RTS back.....
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Why? So we could continue to move around the deck chairs (and buy more) while the ship sinks?
I will always respect the man, but it is time for action. Thus the change. Let us just hope it was in time.
 
Fozzy said:
Why? So we could continue to move around the deck chairs (and buy more) while the ship sinks?
I will always respect the man, but it is time for action. Thus the change. Let us just hope it was in time.
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I know. I know. But QOL is going to go down more than we realize I think. Super 8 Motel points Yeeha.
 
RTRHD said:
I know. I know. But QOL is going to go down more than we realize I think. Super 8 Motel points Yeeha.
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And what will your QOL be when NJA closes the doors completely? Unemployment pays what?

Come on guys. Stay focused. We're facing huge problems and you're thinking about the hotels we're staying in? Do you really think this pilot group will stand for sub-par overnights? I know I won't. Yeah, things are going to tighten up. They need to if we're going to survive. Tighten your seatbelt and hang on for the ride. We're in good hands!
 
RTRHD said:
"O" nevermind.:rolleyes:
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If you don't agree, then speak up. That's why you're here isn't it?

The company always screams "Safety is number one." If that's the case, which I know it is, then they won't try to put us up in places that would cause a potentially hazardous situation. How safe are you in the cockpit after tossing and turning all night because the walls are paper thin and you had to listen to the couple in the next room? Hmmmm. Makes for a fun show but not such a great morning.
 
G200_PILOT said:
If you don't agree, then speak up. That's why you're here isn't it?
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We have been saving pennies on the I side for the last two years or more so there was not a lot of waste. So the only thing left to cut are benefits, though to this point the pilots are unaffected (we have yall to thank for that) everyone else (FA's) are going to btch to high heaven. Now we ride coach to international locations, keep ALL reciepts even under ten dollars. ( I have hell keeping up with the one I have to now) It's Just a matter of time before we lose the 401k match and our Insurance goes up. We will probably lay off so we are going to be jumping through our ass more to cover more of your trips. It is still a great place to be I am just venting I guess.
 
We have been saving pennies on the I side for the last two years or more so there was not a lot of waste. So the only thing left to cut are benefits, though to this point the pilots are unaffected (we have yall to thank for that) everyone else (FA's) are going to btch to high heaven. Now we ride coach to international locations, keep ALL reciepts even under ten dollars. ( I have hell keeping up with the one I have to now) It's Just a matter of time before we lose the 401k match and our Insurance goes up. We will probably lay off so we are going to be jumping through our ass more to cover more of your trips. It is still a great place to be I am just venting I guess.
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Oct 1st is really gonna suck now huh RTR?

Awww man I just reread that FA's are affected. Thank god we are so short FA's we don't have one yet.
 
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Diesel said:
Oct 1st is really gonna suck now huh RTR?

Awww man I just reread that FA's are affected. Thank god we are so short FA's we don't have one yet.
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NASA did a study on PMS in space. What they discovered was you had a pissed off btch that could FLY. So it's going to be a fun rotation. :bawling:
 
Thats why I don't have an FA this rotation.
 
"Don't count the chickens before they hatch".

I am a big RTS supporter but do not think he will be back or buy the company back with Goldman Sachs. In time, he will be on to another cutting edge venture which does not compete with NJ. He could not do, nor wanted to do, what BH said needed to be done, but realized it needed/needs to be done for NJ. I do not think he will be back.

PS - I ran into him a few days ago at an FBO and he looked much more relaxed than any time I have ever seen him. The environment over th e past 2 years had taken its toll on him.

Fly safe, and NJ will be fine in time. But I can not guarantee your per diems, hotel points, etc.
 
I can NJAOwner, I will ground your or any other owners airplane every day if it comes to that. Sorry buddy, if you want to impress your friends then open the wallet.
The day before I get my assignment I'm checking the national weather + Europe and Hawaii (just in case), the day of my duty I do everthing from hotels, cars, your personal phone calls inflight, check and or order your catering, and everything a pilot does in his daily assigned duty. Yes, most of the time you see a perfect flight, what you don't see is how many times it's your flight crew members making sure this is true (all great fractional pilots included, no matter the company) just minutes or seconds before you arrive.
I believe in great customer service but if you want to play the good luck in your per diem and hotel game, I don't feel so good today and my plane looks broke.
 
AirChef said:
I can NJAOwner, I will ground your or any other owners airplane every day if it comes to that. Sorry buddy, if you want to impress your friends then open the wallet.
The day before I get my assignment I'm checking the national weather + Europe and Hawaii (just in case), the day of my duty I do everthing from hotels, cars, your personal phone calls inflight, check and or order your catering, and everything a pilot does in his daily assigned duty. Yes, most of the time you see a perfect flight, what you don't see is how many times it's your flight crew members making sure this is true (all great fractional pilots included, no matter the company) just minutes or seconds before you arrive.
I believe in great customer service but if you want to play the good luck in your per diem and hotel game, I don't feel so good today and my plane looks broke.
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That was in VERY poor taste! :( NJA Owner has nothing to do with our CBA or dealings with the company. I think he was only making a guess at what may occur, not an endorsement of it. Furthermore, from your post, I have to wonder if you even work for NJA? If so, you should be ashamed of yourself. Allow me to apologize for you.
 

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