Im Ready, UNION AT FLEX

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Hostage taking has begun. Every Flex pilot is now a target.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

And for all you guys not thinking about signing that card, think of your fellow worker cut away from employment for no reason other than to prevent a union coming on property.
Think of his children, seeing their Dad no longer without a job, wondering where he will get his next paycheck to support them.
How aboput those kids wondering if they will have a house to live in because of this cowardly act.

All because KR is trying to make a statement and scare the chickenmerde's out there too afraid to take control of their destinies.

You choose. Leave that family out to dry, or put your big boy britches on and flip KR the finger.

 

[FraxJockey]

There's always two sides to the story. Not saying what happened was right or wrong, just saying get all the facts before passing judgement.

 

[Dirty Squirrel]

And for all you guys not thinking about signing that card, think of your fellow worker cut away from employment for no reason other than to prevent a union coming on property.
Think of his children, seeing their Dad no longer without a job, wondering where he will get his next paycheck to support them.
How aboput those kids wondering if they will have a house to live in because of this cowardly act.

All because KR is trying to make a statement and scare the chickenmerde's out there too afraid to take control of their destinies.

You choose. Leave that family out to dry, or put your big boy britches on and flip KR the finger.

Like Frax Jockey said, get both sides of the story. I can tell you that even though the two guys are in limbo, they are on paid leave.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Anybody know what really happened? Did they bend metal or just cross the invisible management line? Any update? Who will be next?

 

[exagony]

Anybody know what really happened? Did they bend metal or just cross the invisible management line? Any update? Who will be next?

No they didn't bend any metal from my sources. No updates

 

[G4dude]

The really interesting thing about the unionization of Flex is that the hiring process was carefully crafted to hire those who don't believe in unions. So if they unionize, things must be really bad there. Maybe Union organizers should try to convince in a friendly manner, recognizing the sincerity of those who are not yet on board with the union effort.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

G4,You of all people trying to give union organizers advise? I can see how respected you are with your fellow NJI non supporters.

 

[The Architect]

Unhappy

Like Frax Jockey said, get both sides of the story. I can tell you that even though the two guys are in limbo, they are on paid leave.

C'mon. Really?

It's simple. They are Union organizers. They were cited for being "unhappy." Nothing else.

Then told they could resign or be terminated.

What else do you need?

Stop trying so hard to find reasons to dis-believe that this management can rule with total disregard to employees and their families.

KR has done this before. And lost repeatedly.

 

[G4dude]

G4,You of all people trying to give union organizers advise? I can see how respected you are with your fellow NJI non supporters.

Having worked there, I am just reflecting on reality. These anti union pilots at Flex aren't selfish or heartless, they just believe unions are the wrong answer to the right question. To convince them otherwise, treat them with respect is my advice. Also, I suspect an in house union might be required at Flex, although that seems to not be where things are going. I am NOT trying to stir anything up.

 

[doh]

I can't do the hard sell. G4 actually has a point. I just give the facts and let it sell itself.

 

[Fresh Air]

Guys,
Look at what KR and crew have done to you already, even knowing that he can't upset you too much or else a majority of you will say "yes" to organizing.

Just imagine what he will do if your organizing drive fails and he no longer has that threat to slow him down.

 

[Flex605]

At some point flex will be organized . People respond when they start losing money . This has started and it's only a matter of time before the anti union supporters will come around . Everyone has a breaking point .

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

G4 has a point. He comes right out and says he will gladly cross a picket line and proudly be called a scab. He will always be a parasite. He has no friends left so he must post on the Netjets, FO, Flex and the majors threads.

 

[dime line]

At some point flex will be organized . People respond when they start losing money . This has started and it's only a matter of time before the anti union supporters will come around . Everyone has a breaking point .

No union, you will loose your "Pay for Parking" perk. Kenn told us years ago, he pays a lot for gas at FBO's so they should take us back and forth.

 

[993_Pilot]

History has a way of repeating itself:
WASHINGTON, Sept. 22 /PRNewswire/ -- Four pilots are suing their employer, Flight Options, LLC, for firing them in retaliation for their union organizing activities. They filed a motion for summary judgment against the company in the Federal District Court in Cleveland, Ohio. The case is Thomas Bowden, et al. vs. Flight Options, LLC, Case No. 02-1768. Their employer, following the merger of Flight Options and Raytheon Travel Air in March 2002, fired the pilots, Thomas Bowden, William Brunet, Thomas Jeter and William Tumlin. Flight Options is now majority-owned by a Raytheon subsidiary. The pilots were members of the Raytheon Travel Air union organizing committee that attempted to unionize the pilots of RTA with the Teamsters through a campaign that resulted in an election before the National Mediation Board in January 2002. "These pilots were leaders in the Teamsters union effort at Raytheon Travel Air," said Don Treichler, Director of the Teamsters Airline Division. "They are all skilled, veteran pilots. Their professionalism cannot be disputed. Flight Options' reasons for firing them are completely without merit. Discovery in the case has confirmed what we knew -- that these skilled professionals were fired because they supported the union at Travel Air." Discovery in the litigation revealed that Flight Options targeted the pilots for firing. An e-mail circulated among its managers in March 2002 shows them scheming to manufacture grounds for terminating the plaintiffs and stating that they needed to change the reasons for firing Bowden because he had not yet attended an indoctrination session at Flight Options headquarters. Bowden was not terminated until late June 2002 and the alleged grounds for discharge did not occur until months after the March 2002 e-mail. Discovery also uncovered a blacklist of pilots compiled by a Flight Options manager on which the plaintiffs' names were marked. Another Flight Options manager who had been a manager at Travel Air testified that the employer asked Travel Air managers to identify troublemakers among the Travel Air pilots and that the plaintiffs' names were marked on that blacklist. Evidence shows that former Flight Options CEO Kenn Ricci engaged in a concerted anti-union campaign to defeat the Travel Air union election. The campaign involved intelligence gathered on the Teamster organizing effort; Ricci's monitoring of pilot Internet communications regarding the union; interrogation by Ricci of pilots about their opinions on the union; and threads by Ricci regarding what would happen if the union were voted in. Ricci admitted in a deposition that his anti-union campaign occupied most of his time following the December 2001 announcement of the merger and leading up to the January 17, 2002 ballot count. Evidence also shows Ricci made repeated statements that it was legal for him to fire pilots for organizing with a union. An August 2002 e-mail message by Ricci stated that Flight Options had a policy against hiring pilots from unionized carriers. In March 2002, Ricci threatened the pilot who served as the telephone hotline "Voice of the Union" during the RTA union election that he should not engage in organizing activity at Flight Options. That pilot left Flight Options to take a position at Teamster-represented NetJets. The evidence revealed clearly that Flight Options knew the plaintiffs were the union activists among the Travel Air pilots and that Flight Options was hostile to union supporters and retaliated against them. Flight Options asserted unwarranted grounds for the discharge of the pilots. Management was unable to produce a single manager who could testify to the conduct of Jeter and Tumlin that allegedly led to their firing. Flight Options managers contradicted themselves as to the reasons for Brunet and Bowden's terminations. Two Flight Options managers denied that Brunet engaged in the conduct during an indoctrination session for which he was allegedly fired. Ricci testified that he fired Brunet for "bad body language," but never discussed the matter with Brunet. Flight Options asserted four different stories as to why they fired Bowden -- stories which proved untrue. The Flight Options e-mail targeting Bowden for termination months prior to any of these alleged events shows that the company sought any pretext to fire him. "It is unusual for plaintiffs to seek summary judgment in a lawsuit but here the evidence is so strong that we think it demands judgment in favor of the plaintiffs," said the plaintiffs' attorney, William Wilder of Baptiste & Wilder, P.C. in Washington, D.C. Flight Options will have until October 15, 2003 to file its response to the plaintiffs' motion. The court will likely rule on the motion in November 2003. Trial is currently set for early December 2003 in Cleveland, Ohio. Founded in August 1903, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters is celebrating its 100-year anniversary as a representative and advocate for working families.

 

[993_Pilot]

Fired pilots and Flight Options settle lawsuit

by Gordon Gilbert

AIN - October 8, 2007, 10:17 AM



A lawsuit in which four former Raytheon Travel Air pilots alleged they were fired because of their union-organizing activities when the company merged with Flight Options in March 2002 was resolved early last month, just days before the case was scheduled to go to trial in Cleveland.
Representatives of the litigants said they were not at liberty to discuss details of the resolution, other than to say that the issues in dispute were resolved to the satisfaction of the parties involved. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters reportedly provided the pilots with legal representation in the lawsuit, so the fired pilots did not incur attorneys fees to pursue the litigation.
The case was an outgrowth of unionization efforts by Raytheon Travel Air pilots before the merger. A majority of the pilots there were apparently headed toward a pro-union vote, but instead voted it down on the eve of the merger in early 2002 largely because of a plea from then Flight Options chairman and CEO Kenn Ricci.....


The Travel Air Pilots fell for Kenn's smooth pitch, "Hook, Line & Sinker". We all know what has transpired since then, but this is your opportunity to learn from the mistake that took several years to correct. The fractional industry has matured since then and the combined group at Flight Options sure have learned their lesson. Hopefully the Flexjet pilots won't choose to learn the hard way.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Get ready for the next step. The intimidation will continue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3XNpECTyQ

 

[luckydog]

How many crew still on furlough or bypass, and how will they be handled during the "fair and equitable" integration?

 

[Peter_Griffin]

Ran into an old friend today and got up to speed on everything happening.

Had there been a hope of a union back in the days of the TC era I wouldn't have jumped ship. We did get close though. Sorry to hear what's going on now but sounds like you might just have a winning drive on your hands.

Rumor has it the place is falling apart with open fighting on the Bluebelly and managers taking hours out of their days to answer rebuttals and questions. Let me guess its of the "we have always had your back why doubt that now" variety. Sounds like they are desperate. Wish I still had access. Good theater is one thing you could always count on from RH. Not the truth necessarily but some damn good theater.

 

[doh]

Peter, you are spot on! That is exactly what is being said on the Bluebelly.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

Peter, you are spot on! That is exactly what is being said on the Bluebelly.

Of course it is. News flash: if you have to keep reminding people you have their back, perhaps the one you're trying to convince is yourself. Maybe that's how he sleeps at night.

Sad about those guys being fired. Sounds like more on the way too, just to get the point across they only have your back as long as you're holding their d!ck in your mouth.

Being the only frac not unionized puts you at severe disadvantage in the industry. You are not a commodity, you are a capital expenditure. You are a glorified bus driver. You might have unique qualifications but you are still always replaceable for half the price if you don't position yourself well. Both high and low seniority guys need to remember that.

 

[G4dude]

Of course it is. News flash: if you have to keep reminding people you have their back, perhaps the one you're trying to convince is yourself. Maybe that's how he sleeps at night.

Sad about those guys being fired. Sounds like more on the way too, just to get the point across they only have your back as long as you're holding their d!ck in your mouth.

Being the only frac not unionized puts you at severe disadvantage in the industry. You are not a commodity, you are a capital expenditure. You are a glorified bus driver. You might have unique qualifications but you are still always replaceable for half the price if you don't position yourself well. Both high and low seniority guys need to remember that.

Flex pilots' problem isn't that they are non Union, it's that they have to deal with FLOPS and the union there.

 

[el raton]

Flex pilots' problem isn't that they are non Union, it's that they have to deal with FLOPS and the union there.

Hmmm? Nope, that's not it at all.

 

[G4dude]

Hmmm? Nope, that's not it at all.

Oh c'mon. You know I am always right.

 

[el raton]

Oh c'mon. You know I am always right.

In this case I wish you were. It would be a lot simpler.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Three more Flex pilots are now being held hostage. Any updates?

 

[shanes123]

Any updates on the hostages and also whats the feeling on having to bid for the Gulfstreams????

 

[doh]

Any updates on the hostages and also whats the feeling on having to bid for the Gulfstreams????

We would love to BID for the Gulfstreams! What we object to is having to INTERVIEW for the job we already have!uke:

 

[jonjuan]

We would love to BID for the Gulfstreams! What we object to is having to INTERVIEW for the job we already have!uke:

Ask yourself why you think that is?