I'm getting Furloughed From TSA & I'm thinking Go Jet.

[Iron Man]

Dear flyinsick,
First lesson in this airline business: let no one and I mean no-one tell you how to eat, who to feed, and for sure where to eat. I have flown for the best and the worst, from freight to pax, for civilian and for gov't. If you haven't noticed, your colleagues at TSA are rudderless. There union miss calculated and Hulas made a business decision. Just like Delta (my pension). ************************* is about to announce a major move (blessed only by UAL). If you want to take control of your life and your destiny do what your heart tells you. Negative emotions are useless. TSA spin is in a nose dive. This is not the place to get reliable information on what you seek. First; the next time you take a leak confirm your manhood, then go and ask the chief-pilot what you want to know. Second; tune out your current colleagues. Good luck!

 

[cq43vt17t]

Do you know their mins?

I you are at TSA now, you should check the TSA ALPA board. They have links to people who can help you, places to apply, etc.

 

[swordfish]

1. If your thinking about any job you should apply get the interview and if you then get an offer make your decision. There is no way I would make a decision base on what you have heard on FI. I will tell you right now that Go Jet has filled all of it Ground school class for July, Aug. and hiring for a pool of Sept. classes, so if you need a job right now you might think of going some where else because you probably wont be in ground school tell sept. But on the other hand there is a large amount of growth coming to Go Jet even for other carriers which is going to be announced in the next few weeks.

2. Go Jet is not the cause of the current furloughs at tsa; the airplanes that are being parked are the planes that use to be on the US Airways contract. When it went away TSA tried to get a fee for departure contract with united, but the best united offer was out station point to point which has made no money for TSA. Hence parking airplanes = furloughs.

3. Go Jet is not taking over any of TSA United flying Go Jet contract is a ten year fee for departure contract. All Go Jet plane must fly in united hub system, SAT-DEN, SAT-ORD and SAT-IAD. Example of TSA contract for left over US Airways airplane was SAT-TUL, STL-SAT which was on a month to month lease of out station flying.

4. Currently Go Jet has been a great place to work great people our lower management is great, schedules here have come along way in the past 3 months, my current schedule for July is 16 days off 3 four day 1 three day trips with block credit value of 82 hours. 90% of our union contract has already been TA with most of our work rule coming from horizons contract.

Sorry to hear about furloughs, I have been through many my self it never Fun best of luck to all.
Hope this info helps
Swordfish

 

[DrewBlows]

Can you elaborate more on this. How much do you get and what generally qualifies one for such assistance. Unemployment checks aside, if you're furloughed you can get a type rating on Uncle Sam?

Thanks.

It differs from state to state. In Michigan you can not get assistance for a type rating (they don't consider it a good use of their money). My Aunt is the CEO for South Central Michigan Works so I spoke to her about it in detail when I was furloughed. She pointed me in the right direction to collect unemployment but said she couldn't help me with the type rating. On the other hand she said that if I wanted to take nursing classes at the local JC or truck driving classes she could probably help me out (I'm not joking).

 

[thowe21]

swordfish your my hero. I am so happy you are having such a good life there. HK owns TSA... we are getting screwed, well guess what buddy, your going to see the same thing at Go-jets when you stop growing, have a great career.

 

[mckpickle]

Any ideas? I have not made up my mind yet. I'd like TSA to give me the option so I can at least think about it. Go Jets is not the entire reason TSA is having trouble, wonder if United could see this coming? I need to stay in St. Louis, any ideas how long these furloughs will last?

Looks like you won't be commuting.....good thing.

 

[punkpilot48]

I think that in away this is a good place to get some, not all, advice. Before I started reading forums I didn't know anything about any of the regionals. If I would have listend to them more carefully I wouldn't have choosen TSA. But I did and I live with it. Infact if I woulda known about some of these boards before I went to the flight school I choose I prolly would have gone somwhere else. But I did and that my life and not the point.

The point Im trying to make is look how people are reacting to just the thought of you saying you want to go to GJ. It's the same attitude that you are going to recieve as a GJ pilot out in the real world. And sure its going to help you advance to a major but you are going to always have the fact that you are a GJ pilot looming over you in the interview. No it might not be an issue but then again it might. Only time can tell that but wouldnt it suck to not be hired just because of a previous employer. I am assuming you cant STL because of family? Well I know plenty of people with other airlines that cant leave Florida because of family so they commute to EWR, ATL, ORD, DTW, and etc.

 

[flyer172r]

GJ guys will get what's coming to them in the near future because there's no way HK will ever play nice with a labor group. If you do go to GJ, enjoy not getting block or better while sitting on the taxiway at ORD. And don't be like the one GJ pilot I saw walking through the terminal at ORD with no hat on, ID hidden, and wings pulled off his jacket.

You'd be much better off instructing for a few more months and then trying to go to Chautauqua and getting STL based.

 

[rjacobs]

I got the call for the furlough as well today. I AM NOT GOING TO BLOWJETS. I am unsure what I am going to do, but that is not it. I was thinking about it though and then wreek havoc at that airline, get wasted on all the overnights and run around the hotel, general mayhem. I am not going there however. I think express jet if I can get an interview.

 

[BigLebowski]

I got the call for the furlough as well today. I AM NOT GOING TO BLOWJETS. I am unsure what I am going to do, but that is not it. I was thinking about it though and then wreek havoc at that airline, get wasted on all the overnights and run around the hotel, general mayhem. I am not going there however. I think express jet if I can get an interview.

Well I would not recommend going to *************************. Skywest is hiring like crazy right now...19 planes by December (700 and 900's).

If you don't have enough time that says enough in itself...you need to go instruct or fly some 135 and get a quality job...leave G0Jet's for the losers.

 

[MINIME]

Just my perhaps naive perspective,
I would not go to a company that produces this much adversity when its name comes up. Red flags should be popping out! I'm sure that even GJ has some nice people to work with, but the overall verdict on this outfit is not one I'd want to be associated with. Will it ruin your long term goals? Thats tough to say. But do you really wanna find that out when your sitting in front of that interviewer or waiting for that decision call?

I'm certain that there are lots of ex TSArs at most of the airlines, especially the ones that are currently hiring. Got a couple of buds that just got on. Will they have any influence on anyone's future? Could potentially happen at a couple of outfits where your name is posted for everyone to scrutinize, who knows. The point is, you have many options available to you RIGHT NOW. Don't go to an outfit that could potentially bring you headaches in the future. Clearly, GJ is a name that many in this industry relate to whipsawing, union busting and maybe a few other things. Even with the state of our unions today, some people will simply never accept this airline and its pilots in its current form.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Will it ruin your long term goals? Thats tough to say. But do you really wanna find that out when your sitting in front of that interviewer or waiting for that decision call?

Seems that the stigma of the GJItis is only at the regional level since they are getting hired into the majors and LCC's that are hiring. I've spoken to several of our guys that have gone to greener pastures to find an Ex GJ pilot along side with them in class.

Doesn't look like your anti GJ campaign in producing results.

 

[pilotlbs]

I got the call for the furlough as well today. I AM NOT GOING TO BLOWJETS. I am unsure what I am going to do, but that is not it. I was thinking about it though and then wreek havoc at that airline, get wasted on all the overnights and run around the hotel, general mayhem. I am not going there however. I think express jet if I can get an interview.

Thank you for telling us what you are going to do, we will all sleep better at night knowing what your plans are. Getting waaaaassssstttteeeed huh? What else is new.

 

[temcgrew]

2. Go Jet is not the cause of the current furloughs at tsa; the airplanes that are being parked are the planes that use to be on the US Airways contract. When it went away TSA tried to get a fee for departure contract with united, but the best united offer was out station point to point which has made no money for TSA. Hence parking airplanes = furloughs.

3. Go Jet is not taking over any of TSA United flying Go Jet contract is a ten year fee for departure contract. All Go Jet plane must fly in united hub system, SAT-DEN, SAT-ORD and SAT-IAD. Example of TSA contract for left over US Airways airplane was SAT-TUL, STL-SAT which was on a month to month lease of out station flying.

4. Currently Go Jet has been a great.
Swordfish

I cannot let you get away with this lie! We at TSA were told that we are parking the airplanes because the SAT flying we just started was not profitable. So why now all of the growth at G0JET out of SAT? Wow. The latest update from our MEC said that none of our SAT FLYING was going to G0jet. HMMMMMMM.

The fact is G0jet IS taking TSA FLYING, all of the G0JETERS are really excited and TSA which funded the whole operation will soon be bankrupt.

Great news, great place. I was just at flightsafety to take a checkride (to be displaced to the right seat) and the whole time big beaming smiling faces with g0jet name tags on.

I don't know what will happen, but I will assure you this, no TSA pilot will ever loose their list of g0jet suckwads. Remember that because the more that are furloughed at TSA, the more pilots out there at other companies to make sure you all stay at g0jet.

 

[Airtran717]

...since they are getting hired into the majors and LCC's that are hiring.

I dont know about Jetblue, but Southwest and Airtran both post lists in the crew lounges and the training center of people who have been approved or recommended for interviews along with who recommended them and what airline they come from.

At the top of the list is a statement asking pilots if they have any concerns or comments about the people on the list to send an email, to the recruiting department, it then lists their email addresses. All it takes is one bad email and you wont be called. There are a lot of Trans States Pilots here (and Im sure at Southwest and Jetblue too) and the ones I know have said that they would send an email right away, myself included, if they saw "Go-Jet Airlines" anywhere on that list. If you dont think going to Go-Jet has an affect on your career, you are very wrong.

 

[Turbosnake03]

hey swordfish, check your pm's

 

[spiffomatic]

flyinsick,

First, from some of the questions you've asked, and your temperment about it after getting furloughed, it makes it tough to imagine you are actually a pilot at all. You sound a little like GJ mgmt trying to softly steer concensus towards GJ actually being an OK place to work. I assure you it is not. If you want anything out of this career in the long run you and everyone else would do well to stay away. But really, blaming your furlough on your fellow pilots flying extra hours is truly sweet of you. There are other flying jobs, and if necessary, non-flying jobs out there that will rest on your conscience far more easily than GJ. If you are in fact a pilot, good luck, my apologies, and run like he11 from TS Holdings.

 

[FlyHIToo]

I dont know about Jetblue, but Southwest and Airtran both post lists in the crew lounges and the training center of people who have been approved or recommended for interviews along with who recommended them and what airline they come from.

At the top of the list is a statement asking pilots if they have any concerns or comments about the people on the list to send an email, to the recruiting department, it then lists their email addresses. All it takes is one bad email and you wont be called. There are a lot of Trans States Pilots here (and Im sure at Southwest and Jetblue too) and the ones I know have said that they would send an email right away, myself included, if they saw "Go-Jet Airlines" anywhere on that list. If you dont think going to Go-Jet has an affect on your career, you are very wrong.

Then why have two pilots from GJ already been hired there in the last two months????

 

[flyinsick]

flyinsick,

First, from some of the questions you've asked, and your temperment about it after getting furloughed, it makes it tough to imagine you are actually a pilot at all. You sound a little like GJ mgmt trying to softly steer concensus towards GJ actually being an OK place to work. I assure you it is not. If you want anything out of this career in the long run you and everyone else would do well to stay away. But really, blaming your furlough on your fellow pilots flying extra hours is truly sweet of you. There are other flying jobs, and if necessary, non-flying jobs out there that will rest on your conscience far more easily than GJ. If you are in fact a pilot, good luck, my apologies, and run like he11 from TS Holdings.

Your right, I'm really not much of a pilot. but can't we all just be one big happy TSA holdings family? J/K I want to try to think out of the box once in a while. I did not mean to offend anyone. But seriously, could there be more than one reason there are furloughs at TSA?

 

[MINIME]

Seems that the stigma of the GJItis is only at the regional level since they are getting hired into the majors and LCC's that are hiring. I've spoken to several of our guys that have gone to greener pastures to find an Ex GJ pilot along side with them in class.

Doesn't look like your anti GJ campaign in producing results.

I respectfully disagree with you.

Call it what you will, but the things that many have pointed out about your airline are true. I realize that we all need jobs to feed our families. But there has to be a moral line somewhere in the mix. When your airline is growing at the expense of eventually all of us, (yes I know, not the first time in history) then I feel that I have a moral obligation to at least try to present what I believe are facts about an outfit such as yours. Am I wrong for doing this? I guess time will tell. For my sake and that of every pilot in this industry, I hope I am wrong!

In the mean time, the word is out to quite a few. The so called campaign must be having some effect since the one time I personally saw one of you, the guy could not have made it more obvious that he was doing everything in his power to hide anything that said GJ on it. Is that the way any of us want to live? I think not. I believe there have been many other examples posted on this board of such occurrences. So my question to you is, if you believe in your gut that you're not doing anything wrong by accepting a job there, why do so many of you guys try to hide who you work for? Tell me how GJ is not going to affect my MEC when it comes time for them to negotiate a better wage for me. Tell me how GJ is not going to play a role if and when my company tries to start an alter ego of its own to go around my pay? Tell me how GJ is going to help my company pay me industry leading or at least average wages?

 

[joeywoofwoof]

I jump on GJ all the time... many of the Captains have been furloughed from the majors, furloughed from corporate jobs, ex and current military- one guy in particular was an ex F-15 pilot from the gulf war..... and several of you people are going to have the audacity to start jumpseat wars and bash the GJ guys for taking jobs to feed their families... really makes me sick. GJ is the same as every other regional airline out there. They seem to be one of the happiest groups of pilots I have been around and most of them claim to have little or no problems jumpseating, harrassment, finding jobs at the Majors, etc. - so someone must be treating them right. GJ didn't take anything from anyone that any other regional hasn't taken from someone else. The ONLY difference is that they are owned by a company that already owns a seperate airline. Good luck TSA and goodluck GJ. But, it seems that karma is getting back at TSA.

 

[spiffomatic]

Joey,

Get it through your thick head. TSA Holdings is RIGHT NOW furloughing and hiring pilots at the same time. The two halves have had overlap in everything from management to routes, etc. They are NOT the same as any other regional out there. GJ's is what Mesa prevented in the current iteration of Freedom, and Chautauqua prevented in Republic. GJ is a split seniority list - they are Mgmt's wet dream.

Imagine how the next few rounds of negotiations are going to go. It will be like tug of war, except the pilots will be wearing teflon shoes and mgmt will be pulling with an M1-A1 Abrams, and shooting no doubt. Good luck saving for retirement. Good luck improving a SINGLE work rule at either side.

You simply CANNOT fly at GJ, aware of the situation, and be proud of what you do.

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

Is there an updated list for GJ?
the web site list is a year old.

 

[Airtran717]

Then why have two pilots from GJ already been hired there in the last two months????

keep dreaming... we all check the list every month. There are only about 40-50 names a month and a "Go-Jet" pilot or "Go-Jet Airlines" has never been on it (believe me its the first thing TSA and Air Wisconsin pilots check). My buddy at Southwest does the same thing. Now I KNOW your lying.

 

[FN FAL]

It differs from state to state. In Michigan you can not get assistance for a type rating (they don't consider it a good use of their money).

It's about time those who administer WIA program money woke up to this chicanery.

 

[swordfish]

I can play this game to, I told my dad that any resumes that come across his desk with airtran and tsa on them to throw in the garbage. Best luck at continental!

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I respectfully disagree with you.

Call it what you will, but the things that many have pointed out about your airline are true. I realize that we all need jobs to feed our families. But there has to be a moral line somewhere in the mix. When your airline is growing at the expense of eventually all of us, (yes I know, not the first time in history) then I feel that I have a moral obligation to at least try to present what I believe are facts about an outfit such as yours. Am I wrong for doing this? I guess time will tell. For my sake and that of every pilot in this industry, I hope I am wrong!

I don't work at GJ, I'm with PCL. And my point is that in spite of it all they are getting hired. I know that there is a coalition of people looking for this individuals but they are getting hired, at SWA, CONTINENTAL,JB and just about all others.
As a side note, I DO sympathize with your case and I'm doing my part by not allowing them to JS because there isn't a JS agreement between PCL and GJ

About Citrus?
Maybe the information that we got is wrong, but we where told the same thing about having two in class recently.

 

[pilotbrain]

Two questions.

• if you didn’t want this to happin then why didn’t you vote Yes?
• Did TSA ever fly hub flying out of SAT? NO so how is GJ taking that flying from you, those 3 planes where out station contracts SAT-STL.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Look, It doesnt matter if GJ pilots are scabs or not. It does'nt matter if they took TSA flying, responsible for TSA furloughs, are hated by 90% of their peers, or are dragging the industry down. Maybe the GJ Pilots took the jobs to feed their families, or maybe they took them to pay for all their hair products. Maybe they took the job because they can't afford to build time as a CFI because they already spent $85,000 on their com/inst/multi+RJ Training at some overpriced airline accadamy.

I hate them for one reason, they are flatulant and they drink their own pee. This is a confirmed fact.GJ=flatulant/Pee Drinkers

 

[Shrek]

ALL flamebait........nobody is that stupid......

Well a hundred of you are.......have fun with the contract......