Just a coincidence then that those three airlines are the weakest ones?
Another falsehood. NWA was far from weak prior to the merger. They were actually in a very good position, and are now in an even stronger position. Comair is also far from weak, although Delta has done a good job of weakening our bargaining position at the FFD carriers by spreading the flying around. That is one area in which we need to improve as a union, and we're working on it. Yes, UAL is weak, but that's not a result of a pilot contract signed in 1985. The idea that you would even try to link the two is just mind boggling. The reason UAL is weak is because of weak management. Mr. Tilton is all but useless. His only strategy is to beg someone to merge with UAL, and there seems to be only one carrier even slightly interested, and they don't exactly seem thrilled at the idea. This is a business plan?
You need to stop blaming unions for bad management.
This is your idea of debate? A classic "I'm rubber, you're glue" strategy. Well played.
Here's how it works: you made an assertion, so you have the burden of proof. Prove that there are legacy rampers making more than junior legacy pilots.
Not at all, I even said I made a mistake.
I must have missed that. Glad to hear it.
and other IAM contracts don't have that provision.
Virtually all of them do, and for good reason.
Did you forget about the bargaining process?
The bargaining process is useless without leverage, and the only leverage we have is the threat of self-help. Companies only bargain because of coercion, not because they want to pay you more and give you a better quality of life out of the goodness of their hearts.
Do you then believe the AW MEC's actions were wrong?
Of course not. As I said, this is a strategy that has been employed previously and it has been successful. But again, you're missing the whole point of the strategy: the threat of a job action. The AWA MEC's labor coalition is not a strategy in and of itself, it is a complement to a broader strategy that includes, as the key element, the threat of self-help. You want to remove the key element, which renders the whole thing useless.
You need to figure some things out son.
Don't embarrass yourself. Trying to resort to this sort of thing is proof positive that you're losing the debate. It's obvious to everyone here.
Listening to Rez will only make miserable. He is all about creating dissension among people for his own personal gain and screwing others to get ahead. Rez does not believe in personal responsibility, he is all about blaming others for his shortcomings. Don't become like him.
Rez has been a friend of mine for a while, and your characterization is completely inaccurate.
while you have done contribute to the problems our industry is facing by flying an RJ for peanuts and working for a predatory discount airline.
You can't even place blame where it belongs, probably because you would have to share in it. The pilots flying the RJs are not to blame for your job being outsourced, AC; YOU and your fellow mainline pilots are responsible. Scope is a permissive subject of bargaining, meaning your pilot group had no obligation to even talk to management about scope concessions, yet you chose to do so in order to buy other improvements. Don't blame the guys flying the RJs for your mistakes.
Regarding AirTran, I'll put our product up against any other carrier's domestic product any day of the week and twice on Tuesday.
How long has Air Tran been in ALPA, like 20 minutes. Sorry that its hard to take you seroiusly when you are going to tell us all how things should be done.
I was doing ALPA work long before I came to AirTran. What ALPA work have you done? What experience in this type of work can you point to in order to lend credibility to your positions? None? Thought so.
