IBT agrees to allow vote for NJASAP

[airjackson]

Will I may not know as much as you do. I just work there (NJI). But I think it is pretty safe to say no one wanted to be part of a truckers/rampers union.

...or a union which would sell it's union brothers and sisters down the river as they did with Gojet Airlines. The IBT was all too happy to step in and organize them when it was obvious to all that Gojet was formed to do an end-run around the Trans States pilot's CBA. Absolutely dispicable is the IBT. F-them and best of luck to the NetJets pilots.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

NJW... good thread... oh and say hello to the Col.!!

 

[netjetwife]

AJ, your support is appreciated... Your opinion (solidly backed up with an example) illustrates why the NJ pilots want to stand alone on their own good record. It's frustrating and difficult to be part of an organization whose reputation is tarnished and whose attention is too often divided among competing interests.

In the marketplace companies must respond to their customers' feedback or lose their business. It's my hope that watching the NJ pilots vote with their feet will compel the IBT to do a better job representing their other pilotgroups, especially our friends/neighbors from FltOps.

Thanks, Rez! I'll be happy to pass along your greetings.... NJW

 

[RTRHD]

obvious to all that Gojet was formed to do an end-run around the Trans States pilot's CBA. Absolutely despicable is the IBT. F-them and best of luck to the NetJets pilots.

OK ,say it I know someone is dieing too.

 

[YankeeEcho]

......I, too, just felt that it was a safe thing to say based on my conversations here with NJI pilots that have told me an in-house union is more appealing than the Teamsters.

.... Actually, I was being considerate of the opinions of the NJI pilots that are likely to be merged with NJASAP.

Saying an 'in-house union is more appealing than the Teamsters' to the NJI pilots is like saying dying of a heart attack is more appealing than dying of cancer. Please respect our right of self-determination and concentrate on your own issues!

 

[Ultra Grump]

Please respect our right of self-determination...

Good luck with that!

 

[netjetwife]

Not need to be so dramatic, Yankee... nor insulting. Some of your fellow pilots have had a better attitude, thankfully. I think they realize that it's prudent to adapt if you can't change the situation. At times like these an open mind and a positive outlook makes things much easier for all involved.

 

[windycty]

"Crawdaddy, the IBT must surely realize that they've already lost the NJ pilots with over 82% sending in cards stating that they want to be represented by NJASAP"

njw, you should know better than to post a statement like this and twisting the words to meet an agenda. by sending in a card the netjets pilots were not saying that they wanted to be represented by njasap. the sending in of the card was only to signify that the pilot wanted a choice in who would represent them.

 

[netjetwife]

WC, the process you're describing applies to choosing representation when a group first organizes. This situation is different. I posted only factual information, but you don't have to take my word for it... Read it for yourself; it specifically says: " This card is to serve as notification to the National Mediation Board that I am a NetJets pilot, and I desire to be represented by the NetJets Association of Shared Aircraft Pilots (NJASAP) for the purpose of Collective Bargaining." http://njasap.com/library/auth_card.pdf

Who's blowing smoke, Windy? (pun intended) You should know better than to post a statement like this accusing me of twisting words to meet an agenda... I have too much integrity for that, nor is it even necessary. What agenda?! The NJA pilots have already spoken loud and clear by sending in their cards and they will do it again in an official referendum per their agreement with the IBT.

Personally, I think the cards were enough and certainly would have expedited matters. However, it must be noted that it is financially in the Teamsters' interest to take more time. Now that seems more like an agenda related to this process. After all, the authorization cards were mailed in by the NJ pilots in an undeniably overwhelming show of support for NJASAP. I share the majority opinion that they're ready to solo. NJW

 

[gutshotdraw]

Saying an 'in-house union is more appealing than the Teamsters' to the NJI pilots is like saying dying of a heart attack is more appealing than dying of cancer. Please respect our right of self-determination and concentrate on your own issues!

Yankee, get used to it amigo. Integration is now inevitable and the fact the truckers will be out of the picture does make it far more platable to most. Better we convince our management to allow creation of a committee to represent our group in negotiations of the final integration agreement.

 

[netjetwife]

It will be your pilotgroup flying under the contract--not your managers--so who better to represent your interests and plan your transition into the NetJets Association? GSD, I think a committee is a great idea. And such independent thinking is a better match for an independent association of pilots...

The interested pilots could put the integration committee together now and get started formulating a list of objectives. Then when you approached management you'd make the request as a well organized group with stated goals. I think it'd increase your chances of getting their approval. It should certainly get their attention...
Best Wishes!
NJW

 

[cush]

This is a big part of what really bothers me. I really like and care for our management. A big part of what we do is make things happen for the customer(legally). Why would I want to file a grievance against my buddies or Mr.RTS or Mr.WB. I like being here. I was lucky to be hired to work with such good people and I needed a job when I got here.

RTD,

I was here (EJA/NJA) when we had fewer than 200 pilots. Back then, I knew EVERY manager on a first named basis.(In a good way) If I had a problem or question, I would just go in whoevers office and straighten it out. No grievance necessary. So I know where you are coming from.

That being said, once you become part of 3000 plus. No one will notice if you file a grievance a week and no will care. The warm fuzzy small company feel was lost long ago. But to be honest, I prefer the anonimity of of being a part of a large group. Now, I just show up, do the best job I can, and reap the incredible benefits my union has provided me. It really is a good deal.

 

[YankeeEcho]

RTD,

I was here (EJA/NJA) when we had fewer than 200 pilots. Back then, I knew EVERY manager on a first named basis.(In a good way) If I had a problem or question, I would just go in whoevers office and straighten it out. No grievance necessary. So I know where you are coming from.

That being said, once you become part of 3000 plus. No one will notice if you file a grievance a week and no will care. The warm fuzzy small company feel was lost long ago. But to be honest, I prefer the anonimity of of being a part of a large group. Now, I just show up, do the best job I can, and reap the incredible benefits my union has provided me. It really is a good deal.

Too bad you feel that way - at NJI it is still very possible to solve any issue expeditiously one-on-one with whoever can best address the issue - we don't need committees and referees!

 

[RTRHD]

RTD,

I was here (EJA/NJA) when we had fewer than 200 pilots. Back then, I knew EVERY manager on a first named basis.(In a good way) If I had a problem or question, I would just go in whoevers office and straighten it out. No grievance necessary. So I know where you are coming from.

That being said, once you become part of 3000 plus. No one will notice if you file a grievance a week and no will care. The warm fuzzy small company feel was lost long ago. But to be honest, I prefer the anonimity of of being a part of a large group. Now, I just show up, do the best job I can, and reap the incredible benefits my union has provided me. It really is a good deal.

I hear ya cush. My mind is open, so we will will see.

 

[netjetwife]

You guys talk about dropping into the office to sort out a problem but that's not always possible or convenient. If it gets complicated and/or is on-going it's helpful to have a Steward working on your behalf so you can focus on flying. NetJets Association pilots value the help they receive from Stewards and are glad to have a level playing field. An arbitrary, self-help process is prone to inequities.

Those casual "drop-in" arrangements favor those who've been there longer. What if just the week before a fellow pilot had the same situation come up...but he was better friends with management and got a different answer to his question? Discussions with management are fine for pilots comfortable with that venue, but not everyone is, especially in sticky situations when you have to stand up for yourself. The DIY method just isn't fair. Furthermore, if there's no written rules to follow, management can unilaterally make them up as they go along--that's not right either. Compounding the problem, different managers can have differing opinions. Operations should be consistent so that the pilots always know precisely where they stand and that they are all being treated the same--regardless of who they speak to or when their problem occurs.

Even assuming no favoritism ever occurs :erm: , people can, and do, make mistakes. A grievance is just the name of the well organized, fair process used to correct infractions that happen in a busy operating tempo. About those "Referees"... It has to be recognized that NJA likes the Steward on Duty program because it improves efficiency. Stewards are respected by both management and the pilotgroup. As for Committees... They are a great way for the pilots to have an input into operations that directly affect them. Service is voluntary and those who sign up enjoy the opportunity to share their other talents with the Company and their fellow pilots. They like being part of solutions and working as a team to make things better for all involved. Here's a good example... Under the leadership of the talented UTC Chairman, the Union Training Committee helped NJA streamline training. That saved millions of dollars which helped fund the IBB pay raise and signing bonus. Needless to say, NJA pilots have a high regard for the excellent work that comes out of the committees and a lot of respect and gratitude to those pilots who serve for the greater good.

Like any important relationship, you get out of it what you put into it. You can sit on the sidelines and complain, or you can pitch in and help create an Association (and a company) you can be proud of. Luckily, enough motivated, talented volunteers chose to do the latter and the results of their efforts are being enjoyed by the entire pilotgroup and NJA, as a whole. Many improvements have been made thanks to work done by the various joint committees. Kudos to everyone involved! NJW