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DATE:23/01/09
SOURCE:Flightglobal.com

Hudson A320: Partial engine power aided textbook ditching


Sources close to the on-going investigation of US Airways Flight 1549 say that the Airbus A320's number 1 (left) engine continued to run at approximately 35% fan speed (N1) during the three-minute window between striking birds at 3,200ft and ditching in the Hudson River on 15 January. All 150 passengers and five crew safely exited the Charlotte-bound aircraft in the river, aided by nearby ferry boat crews in a spectacle that captured global interest and fueled renewed admiration for airline training and professionalism. Though limited, the left engine's speed would have been adequate to keep the aircraft's generators and hydraulic systems on-line, providing "normal" flight control laws and communications as well as giving pilots ability to deploy flaps and slats, elements that proved critical to performing a low-speed water landing. To maintain altitude on a single engine however, experts say the powerplant would have had to been running at 70% N1 or more. Investigators planned to retrieve the left engine, which broke from the aircraft during the ditching, from the river bottom Friday or Saturday to perform an inspection. Flight International has learned that the aircraft touched down at 125-130kt airspeed with flaps and slats both in the "2" position, or midpoint, position. An A320 normally lands at 120-125kt with fully deployed flaps and slats.
 
That should have been enough thrust in order for "sully" to make it to TEB or back to LGA.

Hey Brownstain,you obviously have a comprehension problem,so try this:

"Sources close to the on-going investigation of US Airways Flight 1549 say that the Airbus A320's number 1 (left) engine continued to run at approximately 35% fan speed (N1) during the three-minute window between striking birds at 3,200ft and ditching in the Hudson River on 15 January. "

See,N1 is the big fan you see inside the engine .You can see it from the gate while you're waiting for your flight to see your boyfriend.

"To maintain altitude on a single engine however, experts say the powerplant would have had to been running at 70% N1 or more."


See,you forgot about this while on MSFS.Now go fix yourself a nice vaseline and cucumber sandwich,hmmm kay ?
 
That should have been enough thrust in order for "sully" to make it to TEB or back to LGA.

Whaa?

Browntothebone is right. Old man Sully could've glided into TEB instead of showboating it on the Hudson to impress Lorrie. Me and my ERU and GIA buddies all pulled off the "SULLY.FIVE" DP on MSFS with no problems. Afterwards, we all hi-fived each other and headed to the mall in our company uniforms. Tal;k about a blast. All the chicks were non-stop with the hero questions. We all had a very GOOD night. ;)
 
Idle N1 is at about 22%. So that extra 13% N1 was only good to keep the systems going which was a good thing.
 
Hey Brownstain,you obviously have a comprehension problem,so try this:

"Sources close to the on-going investigation of US Airways Flight 1549 say that the Airbus A320's number 1 (left) engine continued to run at approximately 35% fan speed (N1) during the three-minute window between striking birds at 3,200ft and ditching in the Hudson River on 15 January. "

See,N1 is the big fan you see inside the engine .You can see it from the gate while you're waiting for your flight to see your boyfriend.

"To maintain altitude on a single engine however, experts say the powerplant would have had to been running at 70% N1 or more."


See,you forgot about this while on MSFS.Now go fix yourself a nice vaseline and cucumber sandwich,hmmm kay ?



I said NOTHING about maintaining altitude. I said it may have been enough residual thrust for sully to extend his glide in order to make it to TEB or LGA.
 
I said NOTHING about maintaining altitude. I said it may have been enough residual thrust for sully to extend his glide in order to make it to TEB or LGA.

Yeah, f*** that guy. I bet you could have greased it on at TEB or LGA, no sweat.
 
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That is very interesting.

I seriously was wondering why he didn't go for runway 11 at Newark. If you look where he put it down, I think he easily could have made 11 in Newark.

Especially if he had engine thrust on one engine.

Heck, he could even pull a CAL, and land on the taxiway for 11 in EWR. It is slightly closer than the runway. LOL

Very interesting.
 
That is very interesting.

I seriously was wondering why he didn't go for runway 11 at Newark. If you look where he put it down, I think he easily could have made 11 in Newark.

Especially if he had engine thrust on one engine.

Heck, he could even pull a CAL, and land on the taxiway for 11 in EWR. It is slightly closer than the runway. LOL

Very interesting.


I agree.
 
That should have been enough thrust in order for "sully" to make it to TEB or back to LGA.


A high bypass engine make all its thrust in the last 20% N1. 35 % would not even get the thing taxiing on one engine. He was smart to leave it running for hydraulics. And less flaps on landing was smart also!! he did a great job for only having 3 minutes!!
 
A high bypass engine make all its thrust in the last 20% N1. 35 % would not even get the thing taxiing on one engine.


Um, ever hear of breakaway thrust? Or is that just something jet pilots know about!LOL
 
Isn't it interesting how "Brown-on-his-bone", "Instructor-Doosh", and "Poke-her-hole Pylit" all post back-to-back...........

:confused:
 
Boy, this thread really brought out the FI brain-less trust...

TC
 
next time you are on a 4 mile final shut down an engine and put the other one at 40 N1 and see how fast the airplane sinks
 
Hhhmmmm....

Teterhole... Lots of antennas. Some terrain (mostly a few hills), short runways, highly populated somewhat residential area, hospital nearby...

Newark..... NJ Turnpike, lots of industry around, chemicals, lots of people on the ground....

Hudson... Not much to hit, water ferries running around all over the place...

I'll take rivers for 155 Alex.....

Nice of you guys to second guess a crew's actions though. Thank you, drive through...
 
next time you are on a 4 mile final shut down an engine and put the other one at 40 N1 and see how fast the airplane sinks

I'm pretty sure you would get fired if you did that with passengers on board. Give me a break.

I did try what happened to Sully in the Sim and at home on the computer and I made it!! It wasn't pretty but I made it.
 
Just curious what kind of motors this plane had? 35% N1 is pretty close to flight idle at lower speeds and altitudes on CFMs anyway, which wouldn't have anywhere near 35% if windmilling at speeds under 250, so maybe the engine was still producing at least a little bit of thrust. At least enough to keep it going with the generator and hydraulic loads, thankfully! I seriously doubt that whatever it may have been putting out did anything to extend their glide much beyond a pure engine out path.

All else being equal, would 70% N1 on one engine really keep this airplane level? I would have figured it'd need a little more juice than that.

I'm sure this scenario will be played out in A320 sims around the world, and maybe, just maybe, on the 20th try, knowing it was coming, doing everything dead on, one in ten of us may be able to make it to TEB, possibly even hitting a runway there. Notice I didn't say "land on". Not even a snowball's chance for EWR. These guys absolutely made the best choice, and made it under total duress.

edit: saw from the "1549 recap" thread (excellent read, BTW....) that the plane had CFMs on it. The geometry makes TEB look maybe a bit more likely than what I thought above, but they still absolutely made the best choice under the conditions.
 
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