Hudson Ditching Left Engine Running at 35%

[say again]

Here come the lawsuits if this is true. Returning a plane back to service for engine trouble, then 2 days later it goes down from engine trouble. The media is looking into a cover-up about the whole bird issue.

Just what I heard, 5 minutes ago.

So there was a double engine failure?!?! Gimme a break. A strange coincidence, but a cover up? I highly doubt it.

 

[Bringupthebird]

It comes down to this Folks....

The following are to be commended for doing exactly that which they have been trained to do. They executed their procedures, perhaps flawlessly, and saved 155 lives as well as their own.

God Willing, the same should happen to you in a similar situation. But there," For the Grace of God" go We.

The training they had and the procedures that were developed all came as a result of folks scrutinizing what went wrong in previous incidents. No one let pride or hero worship get in the way of gleaning valuable info for the next crew facing such an emergency.

I for one think that they DID NOT follow procedures flawlessly, and the survival of their passengers may have depended on not doing so.

For instance, does the Safety Information Card show people standing on a wing in the ditching diagram?

 

[great cornholio]

That is very interesting.

I seriously was wondering why he didn't go for runway 11 at Newark. If you look where he put it down, I think he easily could have made 11 in Newark.

Especially if he had engine thrust on one engine.

Heck, he could even pull a CAL, and land on the taxiway for 11 in EWR. It is slightly closer than the runway. LOL

Very interesting.

I'd say its pretty simple. Always go for the option that will kill least amount of people when it hits the fan.

 

[ron burgundy]

FWIW....Just on the news tonight.

That exact plane had an in-flight engine failure 2 days before this crash landing in the Hudson. NTSB said the engines have high-time and an AD was recently complied with pertaining to these engines on those Airbuses for in-flight engine failures.

Here come the lawsuits if this is true. Returning a plane back to service for engine trouble, then 2 days later it goes down from engine trouble. The media is looking into a cover-up about the whole bird issue.

Just what I heard, 5 minutes ago.

This thread is the "Jerry Springer of Aviation".

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Doesn't anyone else find it odd that only one engine came off the plane? Could it be because that engine was still running when it hit the water?

Why didn't the other engine come off too? Differential thrust is why!!

I'm not saying this is a cover up, but some things really don't add up here.

 

[landlover]

Doesn't anyone else find it odd that only one engine came off the plane? Could it be because that engine was still running when it hit the water?

Why didn't the other engine come off too? Differential thrust is why!!

I'm not saying this is a cover up, but some things really don't add up here.

maybe an uneven amount of canadian geese was ingested in each engine. no go put make up on your two black eyes.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

maybe an uneven amount of canadian geese was ingested in each engine. no go put make up on your two black eyes.

Yeah, but that's assuming that there were even any geese at all.

So far all we know is that the plane had engine trouble the day before, one engine was still producing power, he CA considered turning back to LGA.

It's possible that there might be more that we havn't heard yet.

 

[C601]

Come on kids, enough chatter ...

Let's see if there is FI.com "Sully's" out there.

Don't forget to post your scores ..

http://hudsoncrashgame.lagencetorich.com/


BTW just make up a email address, no need to use your real one.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

Doesn't anyone else find it odd that only one engine came off the plane? Could it be because that engine was still running when it hit the water?

Why didn't the other engine come off too? Differential thrust is why!!

I'm not saying this is a cover up, but some things really don't add up here.

Most likely the left wing was 'slightly lower' when the a/c impacted the water. If You take notice of the pics of the a/c, the left outboard slats were completely torn free from the a/c. And, the first pics of the a/c in the water showed it turned to the left in the water, the nose facing NYC. The pics of the a/c, after removed from the water show the right slats still attached, and the right engine still attached but canted slightly downward, from the impact with the water. All of this info is probably consistent with the possibility that the left wing took the brunt of the impact with the water, and thus no real mystery.

The same a/c two days earlier experienced 'compressor stall' on the right engine during initial climb out, NO Engine failure. The compressor stall condition was written up, the engine was 'inspected' as per the AD, NO damage found and returned to service. So, appears that NO cover up exists.

But, with your 'lack of real aviation experience' not surprising that you cannot understand any of this. As many have said before, you are an idiot. But, I hope this helps.

For what its worth.

PD

 

[AC560]

the possibility that the left wing took the brunt of the impact with the water, and thus no real mystery.

Or the possibility that the missile hit the left wing first....

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Come on kids, enough chatter ...

Let's see if there is FI.com "Sully's" out there.

Don't forget to post your scores ..

http://hudsoncrashgame.lagencetorich.com/


BTW just make up a email address, no need to use your real one.

The French.... LOL. cute.

 

[Whine Lover]

" I for one think that they DID NOT follow procedures flawlessly, ...does the Safety Information Card show people standing on a wing in the ditching diagram? "


Key Word: " perhaps flawlessly." There is no such thing as perfection, or being without flaw.

And people standing on the wing....?

Maybe we had a plane load of Mensa geniuses that thought to themselves..." Why jump into that freezing ass water and die of hypothermia and drowning when I have this perfectly nice wing here to stand on.? "

And Burgundy, it takes a Springer Star to know one. Why are you always posting at 2 or 3 in the morning? Maybe you need to get back to the lab two trailers down.

Now, who's gonna' start the chair throwing?

Oh, and take those false teeth out that the state paid for before we go at it. I don't want my taxes going up. And tell that Wife of yours to "get back in the truck". No fair, two on one.


YKW

 

[dispatchguy]

I for one think that they DID NOT follow procedures flawlessly, and the survival of their passengers may have depended on not doing so.

Checklists cannot be created for all conceivable situations and are not intended to preclude good judgment. In some cases deviation from checklists may, at the discretion of the captain, be necessary.

A big bravo zulu to the entire flight and cabin crew - these crew members should NEVER have to pay for a tab again; like one pilot blog author has written, he (A320 captain) doesnt even feel qualified to carry Sully's crewbags.

Bravo Zulu....

 

[Counselair]

Bet ya won't see this guy on Matt Lauer.



http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090127/NEWS/901270312/-1/NEWS


var isoPubDate = 'January 27, 2009' By Patrick Cassidy
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January 27, 2009
A Cape Air plane that made an emergency landing in Naples, Fla., Thursday may have run out of gas because of a mechanical malfunction between one of its fuel tanks and its two engines, according to preliminary findings from the National Transportation Safety Board.
A valve that supplies gas from the plane's left tank to its left engine was stuck so both of the aircraft's engines may have drawn all of the fuel from the right tank, NTSB senior air safety investigator Tim Monville said yesterday.
Flight 9399 was en route from Key West to Southwest Florida International Airport in Fort Myers when it reported the loss of power in its engines and was diverted to Naples Municipal Airport on Florida's west coast, Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen said.
The plane glided to a safe landing. There were six people and the pilot on board the Cessna 402C, Bergen said. Nobody was injured and there was no other damage to the plane, she said.
Cape Air flies the nine-passenger Cessna 402C planes out of several locations around the country, including between Cape Cod, the Islands and Boston. The company's planes fly daily between Key West and Fort Myers in Florida. They also have flights out of Guam and nearby Pacific islands.
Cape Air mechanics and investigators replicated the valve problem and continued to investigate the incident over the weekend, Monville said.
"We proved repeatedly that the left tank was not providing fuel to the left engine," he said.
Although there were 12 gallons of gas in the right tank, Cape Air personnel suspected the gas had transferred from the right tank overnight after the plane landed, Monville said. There were 275 pounds of gas in the left tank, he said.
Aircraft fuel is measured by both volume and weight.
After the valve was lubricated both engines started and ran normally, Monville said. The plane was flown to Fort Myers and the NTSB asked that the suspect parts be removed and preserved, he said.
"It reflects very well on the training and the experience level of the pilot," Cape Air CEO Dan Wolf said yesterday.
The pilot would have been able to bypass the stuck valve to draw fuel from the full tank but seeing the nearby airport decided to land the plane quickly and troubleshoot on the ground, Wolf said.
With more than 25 years flying Cessnas the pilot, who Wolf declined to name, did the "smart and prudent thing," Wolf said.
The pilot told investigators that he had noticed a decrease in fuel in the right engine but believed it was a problem with the instruments that read fuel levels, Monville said.
A preliminary report should be complete within the next week and a final report within the next six months, the investigator said.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Bet ya won't see this guy on Matt Lauer.

Hey, at least he got a local article out of it. Kudos to the Cape guy.

 

[Papa Woody]

The media is looking into a cover-up about the whole bird issue.

I'm sure the Canadians are involved in the cover-up, since it was their alleged geese.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I'm sure the Canadians are involved in the cover-up, since it was their alleged geese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyTAMsEEITg

 

[SuperFLUF]

Most likely the left wing was 'slightly lower' when the a/c impacted the water. If You take notice of the pics of the a/c, the left outboard slats were completely torn free from the a/c. And, the first pics of the a/c in the water showed it turned to the left in the water, the nose facing NYC. The pics of the a/c, after removed from the water show the right slats still attached, and the right engine still attached but canted slightly downward, from the impact with the water. All of this info is probably consistent with the possibility that the left wing took the brunt of the impact with the water, and thus no real mystery....
PD

Not that I believe any of this cover up BS...
But the left wing slats were just fine until the FDNY tugs started hauling the aircraft to shore. I watched live video of the left wing getting beat to crap while hoisted up on the side of one of the tugs. I wouldn't be surprised if the left engine was knocked off by one of the rescue boats as well. There are many holes all over the front of that 'bus from being rammed by the rescue craft. (rescue and keeping it afloat was more important than scene preservation)

If it were some sort of non-bird caused flame out then "Sully" was in on it and had a pre-concieved excuse to transmit on the radio to ATC when both engines lost power? Yeah, right.

No wonder some of you maroons have been turned down by the majors you've interviewed at. You're lucky that the regionals you fly for really needed pilots at the time you were hired or you'd still be fish spotting...

 

[Ratherbsurfing]

I said NOTHING about maintaining altitude. I said it may have been enough residual thrust for sully to extend his glide in order to make it to TEB or LGA.

What would you know about it? You're not a pilot. But you are one of the more entertaining flamers here. You and instructor dude should date.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyTAMsEEITg

Now THAT is almost as funny as Poke-A-Hole Pilot's rantings!