How is Life at Gojets?

[Melfly]

At 400 hours and a commercial ticket, you get to decide who rides the jumpseat?

Yup 400 hours and a commercial ticket allows that

Their pilot group chose to bypass our union jumpseating commitee and went directly to our management to get permission for the jumpseat. Which is ironic because even our own management thought it was wrong.

I also have noticed that some GJ pilots are aware of this problem, and sneak on the back of the airplane in STL, with out ever checking in up front. Manners are hard to come by these days.

 

[McNugget]

Yup 400 hours and a commercial ticket allows that

Don't let your CFI expire.

 

[Freight Dog]

Yup 400 hours and a commercial ticket allows that

Their pilot group chose to bypass our union jumpseating commitee and went directly to our management to get permission for the jumpseat. Which is ironic because even our own management thought it was wrong.

I also have noticed that some GJ pilots are aware of this problem, and sneak on the back of the airplane in STL, with out ever checking in up front. Manners are hard to come by these days.

That's why shunning those guys is a bad idea. You want to accomplish something these days... you should be so lucky for GoJet to hire as many high time furloughed ATA/Aloha/Champion guys and then you engage them in helping your cause. Chances are they've been ALPA members way longer than most TSA pilots...

Engaging in a pissing contest with another group, especially when that group is about to consist of laid off mainline pilots only serves to further the management cause and further set you back. I don't know why is this such a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

Yup 400 hours and a commercial ticket allows that

Their pilot group chose to bypass our union jumpseating commitee and went directly to our management to get permission for the jumpseat. Which is ironic because even our own management thought it was wrong.

I also have noticed that some GJ pilots are aware of this problem, and sneak on the back of the airplane in STL, with out ever checking in up front. Manners are hard to come by these days.

Hmm.

If you are an exhibition of "good" manners then I'll pass on your opinions.

If all you have is a commercial pilot license then you do NOT make the jumpseat decision, as you are only a gear jerker, as it takes someone with an ATP to be a Captain on an airplane that is being talked about in this thread. Unless you fly for Cape Air, I doubt you even fly for a company that has any jumpseat agreements if in fact you and your commercial ticket are making jumpseater decisions.

Also, I have personally never seen any jumpseater ever not check in and say hi to the crew when walking on board at least thanking them for the ride, and I've been airline flying for at least as half as long as you are alive I'd bet, maybe longer.

If you work for a real 121 operator you'd know that in their GOM it will state something to the effect that a jumpseater (whether riding in the back or not) must check in with the Captain and present his ID and pilot's license, possibly even a medical before allowed access on board as an ACM, as it is the Captain (ATP holder)'s final decision.

If a pilot walks back without saying hi to the crew he probably isn't jumpseating but riding on a pass, or he already talked to the crew before, etc.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

 

[Tar Heel]

I also have noticed that some GJ pilots are aware of this problem, and sneak on the back of the airplane in STL, with out ever checking in up front. Manners are hard to come by these days.

Poor jumpseat ettiquette happens everywhere and isn't selective to one pilot group or airline. You cannot tell me it's just GoJet pilots doing this to you - I would be tempted to throw out the BS flag. We've all seen how some individuals (regardless of who they work for) do not take the time to do the right thing. There is always going to be that one person out there, but the other 99% of the time people do the right thing. That does not mean the entire pilot cadre thinks or acts this way. Don't throw stones in a glass house.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

At his airline, the FO's make the jumpseat decisions. That's all I needed to read in regards to anything he says. ;-)

 

[FlyWolf]

Their pilot group chose to bypass our union jumpseating commitee and went directly to our management to get permission for the jumpseat. Which is ironic because even our own management thought it was wrong.

Act like little kids and that what will happen to you, when you start acting like professionals and grow up maybe other pilot groups will respect you. Don't start jumpseat wars, we (the professional airline pilots) worked very hard to establish this privilege to benefit us all.

 

[McNugget]

Act like little kids and that what will happen to you, when you start acting like professionals and grow up maybe other pilot groups will respect you. We (here at Midwest) will never deny a j/s to anyone and would never use the j/s to make a point, so again grow up and don't start jumpseat wars, we (the professional airline pilots) worked very hard to establish this privilege to benefit us all.

Yeah, and Al Gore invented the internet! You didn't establish anything, so be sure not to break a leg as you tumble off your soapbox.

 

[FlyWolf]

Yes! A great job flying smelly, arrogant, brown people dressed in bed linens.

aren't you the proud owner of the above comment?
enough said..........

 

[McNugget]

aren't you the proud owner of the above comment?
enough said..........

Hi!

It took you an hour and twenty minutes to come up with that lame retort?

Try Harder! U CAN DO IT!

 

[Turtlesfly]

Hmm.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Really? This coming from the guy who said I am a know-it-all captain because I listed "4000 hours" in my profile? This might be because 1. I don't update it, or 2. I spend time in the training house teaching our pilots and therefore don't accumulate time as fast as other pilots.

But I'm glad you don't judge! f-in hypocrite.

It's also interesting that I said that you would respond by blaming your decision on a court decision. That's exactly what you did a few posts ago. Now I can congratulate myself. You keep saying "The court says that we're different." Yeah, that whole direct-path to the left seat didn't have ANYTHING to do with people going there.


BTW, now I DO carry a list of original GoJetters thanks to some on this board.

 

[Turtlesfly]

we (the professional airline pilots) worked very hard to establish this privilege to benefit us all.

did you go from GoJets to Midwest?

 

[Options_SLAVE]

Really? This coming from the guy who said I am a know-it-all captain because I listed "4000 hours" in my profile? This might be because 1. I don't update it, or 2. I spend time in the training house teaching our pilots and therefore don't accumulate time as fast as other pilots.

But I'm glad you don't judge! f-in hypocrite.

It's also interesting that I said that you would respond by blaming your decision on a court decision. That's exactly what you did a few posts ago. Now I can congratulate myself. You keep saying "The court says that we're different." Yeah, that whole direct-path to the left seat didn't have ANYTHING to do with people going there.


BTW, now I DO carry a list of original GoJetters thanks to some on this board.

(Yawn)


You bore me with your immature arguing, Turtle. You are very obviously pretending to be something you're not - experienced. You also forgot option 3: You only have 4000 hours. Go grow up, then come back and talk with facts, Captain know-it-all. Instead of just b1tching at people try contributing content people care about reading, or is flaming the only thing you are capable of?

 

[Tarzan]

Act like little kids and that what will happen to you, when you start acting like professionals and grow up maybe other pilot groups will respect you. Don't start jumpseat wars, we (the professional airline pilots) worked very hard to establish this privilege to benefit us all.

I won't argue this. However, didn't TSA crews work hard to be a viable option for management to secure more flying?

I may not be the final say on whether or not a GJ gets on the jump seat but I will do my best to talk the boss into it. It isn't personal but I believe it is the best interest of all if we tell pilots who support these sorts of actions by management that we do not condone these actions and will not support them.

 

[FlyWolf]

did you go from GoJets to Midwest?

No, I didn't.

 

[FlyWolf]

I won't argue this. However, didn't TSA crews work hard to be a viable option for management to secure more flying?

I may not be the final say on whether or not a GJ gets on the jump seat but I will do my best to talk the boss into it. It isn't personal but I believe it is the best interest of all if we tell pilots who support these sorts of actions by management that we do not condone these actions and will not support them.

I don't have a dog in this fight, the only point I made is what the guy with 400 hours said, and he thinks he knows it all.

Its very simple, keep the j/s out of this, and don't start a j/s wars, we all worked too hard to get it in the first place and would hate to lose it.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

I won't argue this. However, didn't TSA crews work hard to be a viable option for management to secure more flying?

I may not be the final say on whether or not a GJ gets on the jump seat but I will do my best to talk the boss into it. It isn't personal but I believe it is the best interest of all if we tell pilots who support these sorts of actions by management that we do not condone these actions and will not support them.

That makes zero sense. Starting a jumpseat war does nothing but hurt pilots who have nothing to do with management. Even the courts and the NMB decided against the TSA pilots on this one. GoJet has been proven to be a legitimate airline, and ALL the new-hires are furloughed pilots from other airlines, now. Including TSA. Taking it out on a pilot who had nothing to do with any of it is not fair. Regardless, it's moot. No one's been bumped off a j/s that I can find at this company. The opinion you are sharing is definitely in the very small minority.

 

[Turtlesfly]

That makes zero sense. Starting a jumpseat war does nothing but hurt pilots who have nothing to do with management. Even the courts and the NMB decided against the TSA pilots on this one. GoJet has been proven to be a legitimate airline, and ALL the new-hires are furloughed pilots from other airlines, now. Including TSA. Taking it out on a pilot who had nothing to do with any of it is not fair. Regardless, it's moot. No one's been bumped off a j/s that I can find at this company. The opinion you are sharing is definitely in the very small minority.

You're a union leader right? Why do you refuse to talk about the UNION and the EMPLOYEES? All you talk about is yourself and hiding behind some judge that you found to agree with your career-advancing decisions.

 

[Turtlesfly]

I'm all for a jumpseat war. If a company founded by scabs has no consequences for their actions, then I might as well just be pro-scab.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Hi!

It took you an hour and twenty minutes to come up with that lame retort?

Try Harder! U CAN DO IT!

Maybe he has a life and logged off for an hour and twenty and then replied when he logged back on.