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jonjuan said:
You're welcome for the hundreds of former owners who came from netjets and were lured away by cheaper prices. I'm sure many of the current 495 thank you as well.
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That was a heartless thing to say. :(

Go get some class.
 
jonjuan said:
You're welcome for the hundreds of former owners who came from netjets and were lured away by cheaper prices. I'm sure many of the current 495 thank you as well.
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And they're welcome from the 100's of corporate flight departments that shut down when they "gave their owners" to Netjets.

This thinking is beyond stupid. No company owns their customers/aircraft owners. They are free to make the best deal they can for themselves, and they vote for the best solution with their feet. Treat them right, or someone else will.
 
jonjuan said:
You're welcome for the hundreds of former owners who came from netjets and were lured away by cheaper prices. I'm sure many of the current 495 thank you as well.
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The truth only hurts if it should... :p
 
This whole thing is just sad. How many times do we NJA pilots, Flex pilots, CS pilots and everyone else including airline guys see each other around the airports, hotels etc and its all pleasantries and sharing the bar each night. Then in here it's cutting throats, slinging mud and name calling.
We all do the same damn thing: we sacrifice our lives and our families to make life convenient for everyone else. In the grand scheme of things, whether Flex got this company's owners, or this corp flight dept closed because of Marquis, so on....what hand did any PILOT have in it? We're all just pawns in what our leadership teams do.
I remember when I was a regional pilot in my 30s and I got all wrapped up in the whole airline vs airline thing. Air Cheese got OUR jets! No fair! Oh look, we lost RDU because someone else took it! Bastards! As time went on and I grew up in mentality I realized that the pilots had nothing to do with it, it's all just a big game that managements play for the growth of their companies.
So how can a NJA pilot accuse the new FLOPS/Flex pilots for "stealing" our owners? I think Prince Harry and his crack team of yes men are the culprit, not fellow pilots who just like us, want simply to get through a tour, go home and get paid.
 
acaTerry said:
This whole thing is just sad. How many times do we NJA pilots, Flex pilots, CS pilots and everyone else including airline guys see each other around the airports, hotels etc and its all pleasantries and sharing the bar each night. Then in here it's cutting throats, slinging mud and name calling.
We all do the same damn thing: we sacrifice our lives and our families to make life convenient for everyone else. In the grand scheme of things, whether Flex got this company's owners, or this corp flight dept closed because of Marquis, so on....what hand did any PILOT have in it? We're all just pawns in what our leadership teams do.
I remember when I was a regional pilot in my 30s and I got all wrapped up in the whole airline vs airline thing. Air Cheese got OUR jets! No fair! Oh look, we lost RDU because someone else took it! Bastards! As time went on and I grew up in mentality I realized that the pilots had nothing to do with it, it's all just a big game that managements play for the growth of their companies.
So how can a NJA pilot accuse the new FLOPS/Flex pilots for "stealing" our owners? I think Prince Harry and his crack team of yes men are the culprit, not fellow pilots who just like us, want simply to get through a tour, go home and get paid.
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Well said.
 
acaTerry said:
This whole thing is just sad. How many times do we NJA pilots, Flex pilots, CS pilots and everyone else including airline guys see each other around the airports, hotels etc and its all pleasantries and sharing the bar each night. Then in here it's cutting throats, slinging mud and name calling.

Cause it's an anonymous message board amigo so I can call you a turd and get away with it.....oh, wait, you know who I am....

We all do the same damn thing: we sacrifice our lives and our families to make life convenient for everyone else. In the grand scheme of things, whether Flex got this company's owners, or this corp flight dept closed because of Marquis, so on....what hand did any PILOT have in it? We're all just pawns in what our leadership teams do.

Mongo just pawn in game of life.

I remember when I was a regional pilot in my 30s and I got all wrapped up in the whole airline vs airline thing. Air Cheese got OUR jets! No fair! Oh look, we lost RDU because someone else took it! Bastards! As time went on and I grew up in mentality I realized that the pilots had nothing to do with it, it's all just a big game that managements play for the growth of their companies.
So how can a NJA pilot accuse the new FLOPS/Flex pilots for "stealing" our owners? I think Prince Harry and his crack team of yes men are the culprit, not fellow pilots who just like us, want simply to get through a tour, go home and get paid.
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Good point bud.

As you well know, there are more important things to worry about than beating each other up on a message board....

Unless it's MCDU, or Wave, or instructordude....then it's cool to do some bashing :D
 
I heard from a CS pilot that the deals were struck last week. Directional buying both. The original poster of this thread said more was to come. I hope for the CS pilots that is true. If so it will be Cadillac (flex), Chevy (CS), and rent-wrek (_____). Look out NJ.
 
First and second. Maybe even the third...unless it's snooty beer.
 
It's been a couple of days now, and the enormity of our (FO pilots) screwing is just beginning to sink in. After 5+ years of grinding our faces into the dirt with fire-sale wages, worn out equipment, and Nextant Franken-jets, our parent company just spent 185 mil to buy a competing fractional, and pledged to spend another 5.2 billion to make it the classiest, most modern fleet in the industry. For the first time ever, I literally couldn't eat last night, my food stuck in my throat.

To paraphrase that great old quote by Clark Griswold in Christmas Vacation:

"Hey! If any of you are looking for any last-minute gift ideas for me, I have one. I'd like Kenn Ricci, my boss, right here tonight. I want him brought from his happy holiday slumber over there in Cleveland with all the other rich people and I want him brought right here, with a big ribbon on his head, and I want to look him straight in the eye and I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-azz, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey sh1t he is! Hallelujah! Holy sh1t! Where's the Tylenol?"
 
Just wait until they buy CitationAir as well. I guess it's better for us than the alternative. As the title says...Hold On Tight. Looks like we'll all be one happy family!!
 
All we've heard on our side is how profitable Flex is. If that's the case, why would they cut compensation and risk having a pissed off pilot group?

Along similar lines, would they risk disenfranchising the FlOps pilots by maintaining a two-tier pay system?

Me thinks there's going to be a whole lotta negotiatin' goin' on in the coming months between management and the 1108. We all should just chill for now and let this unfold (trying to take my own advice here).
 
ProFracPilot said:
All we've heard on our side is how profitable Flex is. If that's the case, why would they cut compensation and risk having a pissed off pilot group?

Along similar lines, would they risk disenfranchising the FlOps pilots by maintaining a two-tier pay system?

Me thinks there's going to be a whole lotta negotiatin' goin' on in the coming months between management and the 1108. We all should just chill for now and let this unfold (trying to take my own advice here).
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When have they cared about a pissed off pilot group 98% of there pilots are pissed off the other 2% are ass kissing yes men!! Business as usual at FLOPS
 
shanes123 said:
When have they cared about a pissed off pilot group 98% of there pilots are pissed off the other 2% are ass kissing yes men!! Business as usual at FLOPS
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There is a difference between pissed off and lividly enraged. If the FLOPS guys choose to just slink away from the coming fight, then they deserve being second class, fortunately I believe there will be a fight!

Great example:

Fresh Air said:
It's been a couple of days now, and the enormity of our (FO pilots) screwing is just beginning to sink in. After 5+ years of grinding our faces into the dirt with fire-sale wages, worn out equipment, and Nextant Franken-jets, our parent company just spent 185 mil to buy a competing fractional, and pledged to spend another 5.2 billion to make it the classiest, most modern fleet in the industry. For the first time ever, I literally couldn't eat last night, my food stuck in my throat.

To paraphrase that great old quote by Clark Griswold in Christmas Vacation:

"Hey! If any of you are looking for any last-minute gift ideas for me, I have one. I'd like Kenn Ricci, my boss, right here tonight. I want him brought from his happy holiday slumber over there in Cleveland with all the other rich people and I want him brought right here, with a big ribbon on his head, and I want to look him straight in the eye and I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-azz, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey sh1t he is! Hallelujah! Holy sh1t! Where's the Tylenol?"
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OHGOON said:
There is a difference between pissed off and lividly enraged. If the FLOPS guys choose to just slink away from the coming fight, then they deserve being second class, fortunately I believe there will be a fight!

Great example:
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I would have to agree with you on this one.

I don't think the Flight Options pilots are livid about the the purchase of Flex-jet in fact, I think they welcome it since it shows growth and stability.

What I am sure infuriated the pilots was the plan to make them into a "value" jet provider with low cost labor and previously enjoyed aircraft. This after the acceptance of low wages in the last contract to help the company survive the great recession. Now to find out that the money from out 401k match that was supposedly taken away to help the company to get on a more solid footing was now being used to purchase a competitor who is paid better and has a 401k match. That just flushed any good will the pilots might have still had down the toilet.

We are back to square one in our relationship and it is now up to management to again earn our trust. ( get out the check book! ) (and fast...)
 

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