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[tankerhead]

Hiring 400 in 2014, 40 airplanes...

Not a chance.

 

[freightdogfred]

nada.

did you pay for your training at gulfstream fred?

No, I did not. I also really don't care how someone gets into the biz, whether it be from Gulfstream, a WN Higher Power PFT grad, or AF Academy grad.
I'm a freighter pilot, I used to fly out of corrosion korner to garden spots like Bucamaranga, Bogota, Quito, Iquitos, to name a few, in HK, HI and YV registered airplanes with quite a few ex Viasa pilots, among others. I didn't care if they got their certificates at Pancho Villas school of flying, as long as they could fly-95 % of them were superb pilots, down there you don't last long if you are not. My point is that we all started somewhere

 

[waveflyer]

Seriously? Read a dozen of his posts from SWA/ATN threads at random. If you can't figure it out then, then you're just as much of an egotistical a-hole as he is. This guy has made it his mission in life for the past three years to tell us how inferior we are to him.

hahaha- please dude
That is ridiculous.

You are not inferior as people or pilots- the job you had was inferior to swa's and that IS a seniority argument whether you like it or not.

Jeez PCL- don't get your oversized granny panties in a wad -

It's funny how you have to make this personal- you have to make it something it's not bc you have to defend your indefensible position-

 

[PCL_128]

You've made this personal on many occasions, wave. Pretending otherwise is laughable.

 

[humveedriver]

- the job you had was inferior to swa's and that IS a seniority argument whether you like it or not

Actually I think our "job" was superior in many ways. I enjoyed the longer turns and longer legs. We also had the odd carribean overnight. There was significant standardization amongst our aircraft and we had options installed that greatly enhanced safety. Younger front and back end crews combined with less employees equalled less slam clicking.

SWA has a better contract. But it's not a better job. Big difference.

 

[canyonblue]

But it's not a better job. Big difference.

It's a better career. Big difference.

 

[humveedriver]

It's a better career. Big difference.

Hopefully I can get 20-25 years out the SWA life cycle. A lot of former Eastern, Braniff and TWA pilots at both airlines. Nothing is ever written in stone. Upgrading in 3 years was pretty neat too. In other words, flying a standardized modern fleet of 737s to near international destinations from the left seat seemed like a good career to me. To suggest that my future is brighter at one airline vice another serves no purpose. Tell Jim Rice he was a fool for pinning his airline career to a 3 city Texas airline.

 

[jonjuan]

hahaha- please dude
That is ridiculous.

You are not inferior as people or pilots- the job you had was inferior to swa's and that IS a seniority argument whether you like it or not.

Jeez PCL- don't get your oversized granny panties in a wad -

It's funny how you have to make this personal- you have to make it something it's not bc you have to defend your indefensible position-

I'd bet the Eastern guys who struck and were out of a job and then went to values would love for you to tell them that in person. Good thing they can't hit a woman, however.

 

[jonjuan]

It's a better career. Big difference.

Limited to the conus. Many would disagree.

 

[Tripower455]

Actually I think our "job" was superior in many ways.

It's funny how much better the AT job was, AFTER the 9/27 acquisition announcement.

 

[humveedriver]

It's funny how much better the AT job was, AFTER the 9/27 acquisition announcement.

I'm only being vocal now because I have seen both sides. I jumpseated on SWA around 2007, after upgrading on the 737 at AT. It was then that I realized we had a much better/modern approach to flying the 737. I told many a first officer that our procedures were better than SWAs IMO. There are many positives to SWA buying my airline. More access to dif bases. More destinations to non rev to. A larger more powerful company that has increased health and retirement benefits. Not denying any of that. The fallacy is that so many want to believe that SWA can be this personal fun loving airline and its enormous size. It's more of a concept than a practice now, from a top down perspective. Bottom line is I enjoy the drive to work more than the flying now. And that's OK. Everything changes.

 

[Tripower455]

I'm only being vocal now because I have seen both sides. I jumpseated on SWA around 2007, after upgrading on the 737 at AT. It was then that I realized we had a much better/modern approach to flying the 737. I told many a first officer that our procedures were better than SWAs IMO. There are many positives to SWA buying my airline. More access to dif bases. More destinations to non rev to. A larger more powerful company that has increased health and retirement benefits. Not denying any of that. The fallacy is that so many want to believe that SWA can be this personal fun loving airline and its enormous size. It's more of a concept than a practice now, from a top down perspective. Bottom line is I enjoy the drive to work more than the flying now. And that's OK. Everything changes.

Of course.

But I do find it funny how for years prior to the announcement, all I heard from AT crews was how bad it was over there, and many wanted to be over at SW. And not only on FI.

In addition to the folks that I know personally over there, I'd run into AT folks on the prison bus, jumpseats, airports etc. and none of them had much, if anything glowing to say about working at AT. A lot of "you guys hiring?" type of comments. I realize this is anecdotal, but until recently, I never heard how great pre 9/27 AT was to work at.

Too bad the word didn't get out sooner. Maybe some of our junior guys could've jumped ship and enjoyed the wonderful AT experience, and even ended up higher on the list than they are now!

 

[humveedriver]

Of course.

But I do find it funny how for years prior to the announcement, all I heard from AT crews was how bad it was over there, and many wanted to be over at SW. And not only on FI.

In addition to the folks that I know personally over there, I'd run into AT folks on the prison bus, jumpseats, airports etc. and none of them had much, if anything glowing to say about working at AT. A lot of "you guys hiring?" type of comments. I realize this is anecdotal, but until recently, I never heard how great pre 9/27 AT was to work at.

Too bad the word didn't get out sooner. Maybe some of our junior guys could've jumped ship and enjoyed the wonderful AT experience, and even ended up higher on the list than they are now!

Brother, life is what you make it, doesn't matter where you work. After the Wright Amendment and the classics go away, AirTran will be just another picture in my airline album of good memories.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Tri, we'd all be better off if the the tranny was a distant memory. Instead, due to the circumstances, the tranny is looking better and being remembered with much fonder opinions by an increasing number of our pilots. There are several reasons for this and some SW will never believe. It's rumored WN mgmt is asking our chief pilot how many of our guys are asking for letters of recommendation so the can plan accordingly for hiring. It appears their opinion of incredulousness when contemplating people not wanting to work there is being overcome by the reallity that they are going to have to hire to replace those that are wanting to leave.

 

[Tripower455]

Brother, life is what you make it, doesn't matter where you work. After the Wright Amendment and the classics go away, AirTran will be just another picture in my airline album of good memories.

I can't agree more. Just posting my observations.