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[PCL_128]

It is not that folks had "ultimate level of faith in MC,"

Nah, it really was. I wish the web board didn't delete everything after 90 days. It would be comical to go back and see everyone from both sides of the SLI debate praising the MC as if they were the second coming of Christ Himself. The level of irrational trust was crazy.

The root cause of the merger mess was the weak MEC. GK and SWAPA saw it and played it to their advantage. How can you NOT see that?

No, the root cause was an incompetent and inexperienced Merger Committee. The inexperienced MEC was certainly a large factor, but their options were also limited because the MC had so much political capital with the line pilots who placed so much misplaced trust in them. Granted, the MEC was largely to blame for generating that level of trust and giving them autonomy, but even when they realized their mistake, they were largely powerless to correct it.

 

[Tripower455]

Nah, it really was. I wish the web board didn't delete everything after 90 days. It would be comical to go back and see everyone from both sides of the SLI debate praising the MC as if they were the second coming of Christ Himself. The level of irrational trust was crazy.



No, the root cause was an incompetent and inexperienced Merger Committee. The inexperienced MEC was certainly a large factor, but their options were also limited because the MC had so much political capital with the line pilots who placed so much misplaced trust in them. Granted, the MEC was largely to blame for generating that level of trust and giving them autonomy, but even when they realized their mistake, they were largely powerless to correct it.

Wow, it's like you are describing OUR situation during the acquisition!

I really wish they hadn't purged the SWApA forum. It would be eye opening reading for the revisionist historians among us.

 

[Phlintstone]

That would be an interesting read!

I agree that the MC was way out of there league and that why checks/balances needed to be in place. In any case we were doomed from the beginning and the reason why so many folks wanted this to go to arbitration...to save us from ourselves!

Phred

 

[maxblast72]

No, the root cause was an incompetent and inexperienced Merger Committee.

I am not sure if you have seen the 9/3/2011 email chain between the head of ALPA's representational department and a former ATN NC member but he sure doesn't share your opinion. Let me know if you need a copy of that email chain.

 

[funnyman12]

The fact that the MEC never took any responsibility for the events that unfolded pisses off many at the tran. If the MC was "rogue", doesn't the MEC have a responsibility to lead and make changes? They didn't....the MEC and MC both initially told me identical stories of what transpired on 7/14. Then certain MEC members changed their story. Specifically our vice chair. He told me the exact info as Frank E the week after aip1 was negotiated then once politics came into play simply stopped returning my calls. That made it clear to me the MC's version of events more accurately represented the truth.

 

[PCL_128]

I am not sure if you have seen the 9/3/2011 email chain between the head of ALPA's representational department and a former ATN NC member but he sure doesn't share your opinion. Let me know if you need a copy of that email chain.

No thanks. I'm sure someone will be submitting it as evidence in some frivolous lawsuit or another eventually.

 

[redflyer65]

Nope, not me. If I was in a food court, I'd be eating.

Now that's funny.

 

[waveflyer]

I think anyone who has flown thousands of hours as a line pilot with a normal schedule for years understands the life of a line pilot. He doesn't forget just because he's been in the office for a couple of years. It's a ridiculous argument, usually made by people who would like to be in the office themselves.

You really haven't done the job for very long-
All line pilots with any experience have seen how quickly office dwellers lose the line perspective- whether it's schedulers who begin the job with a level of respect for pilots and lose it- and in this case- the pilots who tackle special projects, chief positions, IP's or union reps-

I'd say only a half or third really keep their perspective and don't end up looking down on the line pilot- and those that do fly more than the min.

If you'd been in the industry longer than your overly strong opinions should allow- you'd know that

(Very few line pilots aspire to the office- your views that folks are jealous of that is telling - you'll be making a good choice to bail on to something else- happily knowing this gig was never for you)

 

[freightdogfred]

If you'd been in the industry longer than your overly strong opinions should allow- you'd know that

All this coming from 1900/RJ driver..that's rich.

Pot, meet kettle

 

[redflyer65]

I am not sure if you have seen the 9/3/2011 email chain between the head of ALPA's representational department and a former ATN NC member but he sure doesn't share your opinion. Let me know if you need a copy of that email chain.

That would be an interesting read. I hope it does come out.

 

[Tripower455]

All this coming from 1900/RJ driver..that's rich.

Pot, meet kettle

Pretty ironic.......

 

[PCL_128]

All this coming from 1900/RJ driver..that's rich.

Pot, meet kettle

I think it's pretty obvious that wave is suffering from micro-penis. Try to go easy on him.

 

[waveflyer]

All this coming from 1900/RJ driver..that's rich.

Pot, meet kettle

I have 8 type ratings, 16,000 hours, over 6 airlines, 2 "other" jobs, and 21 years
My legacy "last job I'll ever have" was airline #3

So don't beat around the bush. Speak on how "rich" my career has been.

I'm sure I could add a few adjectives from my furlough days


And what's your point anyway? Or the irony?
A) I didn't pay to sit right seat of that 1900- got hired, so you don't want to go there, pcl. And I flew the RJ for the highest paid RJ operator, not the lowest like you PCL .
B) I loved my commuter and regional days- some of the best people and pilots I've ever flown with- I learned so much from them and the flying we did.

The point though:
you don't think both of those airlines didn't have our own "trip pull union" and chief types that got disconnected in a hurry with actual life on the line?

 

[waveflyer]

I think it's pretty obvious that wave is suffering from micro-penis. Try to go easy on him.

Not really, but at least I can see it without using a southern version of the double mirror tricks barber uses.

 

[Tripower455]

Sorry Wave, for some reason, I thought Freightdogfred was referring to PCL when I made my comment about irony.

 

[humveedriver]

I have 8 type ratings, 16,000 hours, over 6 airlines, 2 "other" jobs, and 21 years
My legacy "last job I'll ever have" was airline #3

So don't beat around the bush. Speak on how "rich" my career has been.

I'm sure I could add a few adjectives from my furlough days


And what's your point anyway? Or the irony?
A) I didn't pay to sit right seat of that 1900- got hired, so you don't want to go there, pcl. And I flew the RJ for the highest paid RJ operator, not the lowest like you PCL .
B) I loved my commuter and regional days- some of the best people and pilots I've ever flown with- I learned so much from them and the flying we did.

The point though:
you don't think both of those airlines didn't have our own "trip pull union" and chief types that got disconnected in a hurry with actual life on the line?

Why did you wait so long to work for Southwest? Seems like you could have saved yourself a lot of trouble by going to work there somewhere around airline number 2.

 

[waveflyer]

No worries trip-

Why did you wait so long to work for Southwest? Seems like you could have saved yourself a lot of trouble by going to work there somewhere around airline number 2.

We all grow older. Some grow wiser. I'm striving for the latter. That said, I'll tell you that I was very fortunate- hiring was robust, I was assertive, and I got snagged with 1054 TPIC- and had a choice of two legacies - I certainly had an app in with SWA as soon as I could, but did not get a call before great options to a young pilot were there.

I truly respect those who saw the bigger picture better than I did. I never had the SWA choice. I didn't buy a type until much later, so though I pursued it- I can't say I gave it 110% bc I didn't move hell and earth to get that rating. I've flown with many who were in roughly my exact position- they had choices and either stayed at SWA or chose it among their options-
Good choice-
Those that did had better priorities than I did at the time- I was pretty blind about the carrot the legacies have you chase-
They deserve the reward for that

I didn't. I made my choices and happily live with them

 

[PCL_128]

We all grow older. Some grow wiser. I'm striving for the latter.

You'd better keep striving....

 

[flygirlqt]

You'd better keep striving....

This advice coming from a Gulfstream PFT clown? Now that is rich.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

You'd better keep striving....

and you guys are the first to bring point out when you think someone is being "classless." what in wave's post was offensive or aggressive that would make you type this?

stay classy...and hypocritical.

edit: how much did was a gulfstream job back in your day? i'm genuinely curious.