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PCL_128 said:
You only see a fraction of it here. He posts all kinds of stuff on the internal web board. It's a violation of a member's trust to post emails publicly that you received from them in your position as a union rep. Not to mention that most of what he posts nowadays could be damaging to the MEC's efforts to protect the membership.
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Funny, you going after your buddies, Big Sis and Slick too for posting a recording of closed door meetings?
 
Tripower455 said:
Nothing personal PCL. Just "big picture" observation of your situation from the viewpoint of a guy with 27 years in the business.

Good luck in your non airline endeavors. We should all be so lucky to have something to fall back on.
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My guess he will get tired of selling double-wides with Dad in Newnan and hope, beg or pay(again) for a job with an ALPA carrier.
 
My 22 years in aviation applauds PCL - way too many in our ranks chasing the carrot and losing their sense of drive and life priorities -
My advice- this career can always go away in a heartbeat. NEVER lose confidence that you can do something else and be well off.
CHOOSE this career. Don't be trapped by it
 
Crash Pad said:
Pilots are full of BS. Age 65 was awesome because it exposed every guy who said "65 hell no, I might work to 62 for Medicare to kick in but I'm ready to be done right now"... Or some flavor of that BS.

Lear 70 went a long way to getting AIP 1 shot down and proceeded to peddle AirTran BS on this website. It went something like this.
1. I'll hang on to AAI until the end. Money isn't important.
2. QOL is my bag, I work one or two trips a month, all PUJ 36 hour overnights, so I can enjoy the beach, cocktails, and most importantly get my workouts in.

Here is a sample:

"I'm here to work my 70-80 block hours a month, 840-960 hours per year (before vacation). The question is HOW HARD do I have to work to make that time. Here I can do it in 2-3 legs per day flying longer legs to fun destinations with long overnights. There... not so much.

Everyone on here was saying how EASY it was to get rid of your trips at Southwest, to trip improve, to pick up premium time, how much better our Quality of Life would be over there... unfortunately, it's not true, not for our F/O's anyway. People at my seniority over at SWA are working EVERY weekend, EVERY holiday, can't get rid of their trips, never get premium time because senior people snag it, etc, etc. And those are from guys who were all RAH RAH SOUTHWEST at the MEC meetings before the votes and couldn't get there fast enough.

They like the company (Southwest). They hate their Quality of Life compared to what it was at AirTran.

Therefore I'll hang out here until I'm forced across the partition, that's all. Not angry about it, but it's a simple fact, our Quality of Life and trip trading/dropping system is superior to yours due to the lack of ability to straight drop back to the company or trade trips without some imaginary threshold of minimum duty days we "owe" the company. "

So you can imagine my shock when SWA changed the rules and opened ground school to everyone... Number 1 on the list is Lear 70. Thanks for fighting hard to make sure we have half pay to the last day while jumping on the first train to Dallas and diving head first into that SWA cheddar!

Good luck! See you in 2015.
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Lear spent hundreds of hours as an unpaid volunteer member at both the former NPA and at ATN71. While you may not agree with him (or PCL128) he volunteered his time to help his fellow pilots; what did YOU do to help accomplish anything for our pilot group?

Starting this string was an absolutely chickenshh!t thing to do. If you think it is "OK" to try to "out" your former coworkers as they transition, start first by putting your own name on it.

There are clear SWA rules about what you are doing (consult your handbook) and also Federal laws against actions resulting in a hostile workplace. You do know that the webmaster of this board will give up your info if required, right? It's very simple to obtain this type of court order; happens thousands of times a day.

Cheers,
Ty
 
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You guys really do have a neurotic union don't you

I agree about outing

But there won't be a hostile work environment for anyone- I've seen a few from both sides try to do that and they get called out as d-bags pretty quick-
It is what it is- and most realize it'll take some patience to see how this place actually is-

Now if you get an all FI crew....? YMMV
;)
 
Wow, I'm gone for almost half a year and look what happens! I'm flattered that you still think about me from time to time, it's very sweet Crash Pad. We should get together sometime, maybe coffee? Even dinner? I'm a cheap date. ;)

*chuckle* You guys have WAY too much time on your hands. One of our guys called me and mentioned the fun you were having on here today, thanks for the shout-out (call-out).

PCL is right, however, about bypassing for about half a year now. When the first MCO bid came out last November for a January class, I deferred, and did again each bid that came out until now. I had planned to stick around flying my Int'l trips 'til the end, but we got a look at the Sep ATL lines (and thereafter) after the summer flying dies off, combined with the departure of SJU from our schedule completely as SWA takes it over, combined with de-hubbing ATL. What you will see is the 737 flying much more traditional SWA pairings, with the added bonus of a lot of 4-days, uncommutable on both sides, 3-4 legs a day to short overnights, and I wouldn't be bidding senior enough in ATL (there's about 20-30 senior 737 F/O's hanging on at the top) to continue holding my Int'l trips consistently.

So fly a lot and make AirTran money? Or fly a lot and make SWA money? Pretty easy decision, and I'm over the angst, just want to fly my trips, have a good time, and go home. The up-side? No more union work. Ever. Again. Which evidently should make people on both sides clearly happy. Why do things for thankless people?

As for what Max said about what happened when? Who cares? It's over. I've said everything that needs saying about it, it's not worth hashing over anymore, and who the hell REALLY wants to get into all that? AGAIN.

Gotta go see if the Egg is ready for the corn yet, just got back from swimming with my son, wife just came home from work, got bought off my trip this week for my first time ever at AirTran, and bid my one line for next month, 24 hr AUA, 24 hr PUJ, 24 hr PUJ, 24 hr AUA, 18 days off, weekends off, life is good. It's my last month of having a cush schedule for probably the remainder of my 40's, so I'm gonna soak it up and prepare for Dallas in August. Maybe I'll make a Youtube video of cooking an egg in the SWA parking lot... on the asphalt. ;)

Oh, and Crashpad, if you ever want to get a beer and tongue lash me for SIA stuff, you have my number. Cheers, and fly safe out there fellas (and ladies)!
 
Fair enough

Thread closed

(Bc that always works so well)
 
Crash Pad said:
So you can imagine my shock when SWA changed the rules and opened ground school to everyone... Number 1 on the list is Lear 70. Thanks for fighting hard to make sure we have half pay to the last day while jumping on the first train to Dallas and diving head first into that SWA cheddar!

Good luck! See you in 2015.
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Why were you shocked when SWA changed the rules? Are you also shocked to come to the realization that SWA would have changed the rules had SLI1 gone to a vote and been approved by both sides?

Actually two of the MC members jumped on the first trains to SWA, at least we don't have to listen to their BS any more. I hope you have the same angst for the MC that overstepped their bounds and put us in this position in the first place, if not, get on over to SWA, get your coveted pay, and assume the position and enjoy it for the next 15-20 years, you deserve it.
 
PCL_128 said:
First chance? He's been bypassing for months.



Sorry, but you won't get that opportunity for me. For the same reasons that Lear is transitioning early, I'm looking at the possibility of resigning around the November timeframe, earlier than I had originally planned. With the "de-hubbing" of Atlanta that they've announced for this fall, the schedules just aren't going to be my cup of tea. Whether I resign early just depends on whether we have enough staffing to be able to drop most of my schedule every month. If we don't, then I'll have to hang it up before the end of the year. If staffing allows me to drop most of my schedule, then I'll probably stay until I can use next year's vacation in the first few months of the year, then I'll be gone. Either way, there won't ever be a transition class for me. Sorry to disappoint you.
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Not coming over? That's is great news. I wish you well with your future endeavors.
 
Kharma Police said:
Funny, you going after your buddies, Big Sis and Slick too for posting a recording of closed door meetings?
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Can you show me where Article VIII would apply to that situation? I don't see it.
 
PCL_128 said:
You only see a fraction of it here. He posts all kinds of stuff on the internal web board. It's a violation of a member's trust to post emails publicly that you received from them in your position as a union rep. Not to mention that most of what he posts nowadays could be damaging to the MEC's efforts to protect the membership.
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By the way, the July 2011 email that I pulled the quote from on the AirTran forum and the 2 August 2011 emails I referred to earlier in this thread were not sent to my ALPA email address. I just obtained copies of those emails over the last 6 months (long after my ALPA email address was decommissioned). Why don't you get your facts straight before posting?

The AirTran Merger Committee Vice Chair referred to you as "little peckerhead" while on the record during his DFR lawsuit deposition up in New York yesterday. Other than our obvious objection to the adjective used in his description of you, I am beginning to believe his description of you more and more as time goes on.
 
PCL_128 said:
First chance? He's been bypassing for months.



Sorry, but you won't get that opportunity for me. For the same reasons that Lear is transitioning early, I'm looking at the possibility of resigning around the November timeframe, earlier than I had originally planned. With the "de-hubbing" of Atlanta that they've announced for this fall, the schedules just aren't going to be my cup of tea. Whether I resign early just depends on whether we have enough staffing to be able to drop most of my schedule every month. If we don't, then I'll have to hang it up before the end of the year. If staffing allows me to drop most of my schedule, then I'll probably stay until I can use next year's vacation in the first few months of the year, then I'll be gone. Either way, there won't ever be a transition class for me. Sorry to disappoint you.
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Can I ask, why did you even become an airline pilot? Flying commercially in your teens, had to wait for age 23 to upgrade at Pinnacle, by this time already holding union rep positions (PCL 128), and then hired at Aortran mid 20s, which is soon all SWA. You went out of line flying quickly to union positions, and scored the full time buyout position. You probably set a record for young age at ALPA National as EVP. It seems you went out of your way to drop trips and not fly. Now you're still young, and driven for union business. So what is finally doing you in? Don't like the idea of being a 20 year SWA FO? Or the fact you can't be an ALPA rep/EVP at SWAPA? Here you are at a young age at SWA and now you are quitting this business? Good luck to you, I'm not sure this flying career was your cup of tea. Hopefully you can find a position at some union gig because that's where your heart really is.
 
That's true Flyer1015- but it isn't for many-
Which is the problem with many union reps and chiefs- they don't like to fly which is why they aspire to the office -
My question and statement has always been how can y
 
Nice tbc

.....how can you represent pilots when you barely fly? When it doesn't bug the hell out of you not to fly? But ok- lots of us look for time off- how can you represent pilot interest when you don't fly a full line? We all know an airliner can look awfully different cherry picking a convenient 10-20 hours/month vs 88/month after month after weekend after holiday, year over year, ad nausea...

Enjoy that office and not fully understanding the life of a line pilot
 
I think anyone who has flown thousands of hours as a line pilot with a normal schedule for years understands the life of a line pilot. He doesn't forget just because he's been in the office for a couple of years. It's a ridiculous argument, usually made by people who would like to be in the office themselves.
 
dude - only special people like to be in the office.

Hey PCL, I heard a rumor you are really big into flying flight simulator on a PC? My question is: if its true, why not pick up a trip and actually fly a real airplane + get paid for it?

Also it was stated that there is a picture of you... somewhere, flying "flight simulator" with a joystick in the food court in Philly while you were enjoying some ground time. :cartman:
 
SWA/FO said:
Hey PCL, I heard a rumor you are really big into flying flight simulator on a PC? My question is: if its true, why not pick up a trip and actually fly a real airplane + get paid for it?
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I don't even own a PC. Haven't owned a computer with Windows installed in nearly a decade.

Also it was stated that there is a picture of you... somewhere, flying "flight simulator" with a joystick in the food court in Philly while you were enjoying some ground time. :cartman:
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Nope, not me. If I was in a food court, I'd be eating. :)
 
PCL_128 said:
I think anyone who has flown thousands of hours as a line pilot with a normal schedule for years understands the life of a line pilot. He doesn't forget just because he's been in the office for a couple of years. It's a ridiculous argument, usually made by people who would like to be in the office themselves.
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IMO, it is not about you understanding what it is like on the line. It is about your credibility with the folks flying the line. If the folks have faith in your ability to "know what it is like" then you can do better work as their representative. If they have no faith, then folks are divided and we get crappy representation...look what we got for an SLI.

Phred
 
PCL_128 said:
I think anyone who has flown thousands of hours as a line pilot with a normal schedule for years understands the life of a line pilot. He doesn't forget just because he's been in the office for a couple of years. It's a ridiculous argument, usually made by people who would like to be in the office themselves.
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That's funny. You sound just like the non-flying management pilots that you despised for your very brief airline career.
 
Phlintstone said:
IMO, it is not about you understanding what it is like on the line. It is about your credibility with the folks flying the line. If the folks have faith in your ability to "know what it is like" then you can do better work as their representative. If they have no faith, then folks are divided and we get crappy representation...look what we got for an SLI.

Phred
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More trolling nonsense right here. You all a bunch of fire starters. Get a life.
 
Phlintstone said:
IMO, it is not about you understanding what it is like on the line. It is about your credibility with the folks flying the line. If the folks have faith in your ability to "know what it is like" then you can do better work as their representative. If they have no faith, then folks are divided and we get crappy representation...look what we got for an SLI.

Phred
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The SLI? An interesting example for you to bring up, since the pilot group had the ultimate level of faith in the Merger Committee, and members of that committee went out of their way to maintain currency. How'd that work out for you?
 
PCL_128 said:
The SLI? An interesting example for you to bring up, since the pilot group had the ultimate level of faith in the Merger Committee, and members of that committee went out of their way to maintain currency. How'd that work out for you?
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It is not that folks had "ultimate level of faith in MC," it was that the line pilots had ZERO faith in the MEC (The LH regime) and demanded the MC be "hands off." In anything that big, there needed to be checks, balances AND clear direction. Absent those things from the MEC results in personal influences, opinions and desires become the metrics. The root cause of the merger mess was the weak MEC. GK and SWAPA saw it and played it to their advantage. How can you NOT see that?

As far as how everything is working out for me, I don't know yet...I am still flying the line here at AT as opposed to dropping reserve duty to play ALPA games.

Phred
 
Hey PCL - I like to eat too!!
 

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