Happy Trails Lear 70

[PCL_128]

Why don't you post those emails. It would be nice to see them.

I agree. Several of us are considering Article VIII charges to have him expelled from the union, and him posting private emails that he received in the course of doing his union duties would make it easier.

 

[GoodTimes]

First chance? He's been bypassing for months.



Sorry, but you won't get that opportunity for me. For the same reasons that Lear is transitioning early, I'm looking at the possibility of resigning around the November timeframe, earlier than I had originally planned. With the "de-hubbing" of Atlanta that they've announced for this fall, the schedules just aren't going to be my cup of tea. Whether I resign early just depends on whether we have enough staffing to be able to drop most of my schedule every month. If we don't, then I'll have to hang it up before the end of the year. If staffing allows me to drop most of my schedule, then I'll probably stay until I can use next year's vacation in the first few months of the year, then I'll be gone. Either way, there won't ever be a transition class for me. Sorry to disappoint you.

Hallelujah!!!


Best news since the acquisition was announced!

 

[SWA/FO]

See ya PCL 128!!!! Happy trails. :bawling: I can't wait to read the book! When do you think its coming out?

 

[K-Mart]

I agree. Several of us are considering Article VIII charges to have him expelled from the union, and him posting private emails that he received in the course of doing his union duties would make it easier.

What is so damaging in the emails that jusifies expelling him from the union? In all honesty, just curious. Wouldnt it be a privacy violation of Gary Kelly or am I confused?

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

First chance? He's been bypassing for months.



Sorry, but you won't get that opportunity for me. For the same reasons that Lear is transitioning early, I'm looking at the possibility of resigning around the November timeframe, earlier than I had originally planned. With the "de-hubbing" of Atlanta that they've announced for this fall, the schedules just aren't going to be my cup of tea. Whether I resign early just depends on whether we have enough staffing to be able to drop most of my schedule every month. If we don't, then I'll have to hang it up before the end of the year. If staffing allows me to drop most of my schedule, then I'll probably stay until I can use next year's vacation in the first few months of the year, then I'll be gone. Either way, there won't ever be a transition class for me. Sorry to disappoint you.

So instead of retiring on the top of the SWA list, you are going to throw that away over your "principles?" Over your hurt little feelers? What a chump. I really hope you do it.

 

[PCL_128]

So instead of retiring on the top of the SWA list, you are going to throw that away over your "principles?" Over your hurt little feelers? What a chump. I really hope you do it.

Has nothing to do with principles and hurt "feelers." Has to do with not wanting to commute, especially to a west coast domicile. I had every intention of staying until the 717s were sold.

 

[PCL_128]

What is so damaging in the emails that jusifies expelling him from the union? In all honesty, just curious. Wouldnt it be a privacy violation of Gary Kelly or am I confused?

You only see a fraction of it here. He posts all kinds of stuff on the internal web board. It's a violation of a member's trust to post emails publicly that you received from them in your position as a union rep. Not to mention that most of what he posts nowadays could be damaging to the MEC's efforts to protect the membership.

 

[Tripower455]

First chance? He's been bypassing for months.



Sorry, but you won't get that opportunity for me. For the same reasons that Lear is transitioning early, I'm looking at the possibility of resigning around the November timeframe, earlier than I had originally planned. With the "de-hubbing" of Atlanta that they've announced for this fall, the schedules just aren't going to be my cup of tea. Whether I resign early just depends on whether we have enough staffing to be able to drop most of my schedule every month. If we don't, then I'll have to hang it up before the end of the year. If staffing allows me to drop most of my schedule, then I'll probably stay until I can use next year's vacation in the first few months of the year, then I'll be gone. Either way, there won't ever be a transition class for me. Sorry to disappoint you.

Really?

Not that I care, but, you're gonna throw away a multi million dollar career with one of the most sought after jobs in aviation because it hasn't gone exactly the way you wanted it to?

You became an airline pilot for some reason. I realize that you're pretty young, but you should've known that career stability is not even in the definition of "Airline Pilot Career". Most of the time, the destabilizing changes are all negative (Furlough, Chapter 7 etc.).

Most folks (that aren't part of the FI "brain trust") would rate pre 9/27 AT career as vastly inferior career to one at SW. Funny how AT became the best job in the world POST 9/27.

It's not like you went from #1 widebody Capt at a major to a new hire in this deal. You went from a junior FO with a small airline, to a junior FO with a much larger, and far more desirable airline (in most, non FI pilot's eyes anyway) without as much as an interview.

Too bad you can't auction off your number. I'm sure that there would a long line of folks that would take it in a heartbeat.

 

[PCL_128]

Not that I care, but, you're gonna throw away a multi million dollar career with one of the most sought after jobs in aviation because it hasn't gone exactly the way you wanted it to?

No, not at all. As I said, I probably would have stayed if the 717s had been around, because I had protection in ATL with my seniority. So even though it was far from "exactly the way I wanted it," I was still planning to be around. I probably would have dropped a lot of flying, but I still would have been here. But with the prospect of not getting back to Atlanta for nearly a decade (assuming the base is even still here, then), it's just not worth it to me.

And about the "multi million dollar career," I make more money in my own business than I do flying airplanes now. So I'm not exactly going into poverty.

Most folks (that aren't part of the FI "brain trust") would rate pre 9/27 AT career as vastly inferior career to one at SW. Funny how AT became the best job in the world POST 9/27.

Yes, "most" people probably would have said that. But not everyone. I never applied to SWA. Never had any desire to work there. For me, AirTran was the best choice. Based at home with a great schedule and rapid seniority advancement. It was my #1 choice, and I was lucky enough to get it. And it was great while it lasted. But it's going away, and what it's being replaced with doesn't appeal to me. Don't take it personally. People just have different priorities.

Too bad you can't auction off your number. I'm sure that there would a long line of folks that would take it in a heartbeat.

That would be nice.

 

[Tripower455]

Nothing personal PCL. Just "big picture" observation of your situation from the viewpoint of a guy with 27 years in the business.

Good luck in your non airline endeavors. We should all be so lucky to have something to fall back on.

 

[Kharma Police]

You only see a fraction of it here. He posts all kinds of stuff on the internal web board. It's a violation of a member's trust to post emails publicly that you received from them in your position as a union rep. Not to mention that most of what he posts nowadays could be damaging to the MEC's efforts to protect the membership.

Funny, you going after your buddies, Big Sis and Slick too for posting a recording of closed door meetings?

 

[Kharma Police]

Nothing personal PCL. Just "big picture" observation of your situation from the viewpoint of a guy with 27 years in the business.

Good luck in your non airline endeavors. We should all be so lucky to have something to fall back on.

My guess he will get tired of selling double-wides with Dad in Newnan and hope, beg or pay(again) for a job with an ALPA carrier.

 

[Tripower455]

My guess he will get tired of selling double-wides with Dad in Newnan and hope, beg or pay(again) for a job with an ALPA carrier.

Well, I don't get it, but whatever works for him.

 

[waveflyer]

My 22 years in aviation applauds PCL - way too many in our ranks chasing the carrot and losing their sense of drive and life priorities -
My advice- this career can always go away in a heartbeat. NEVER lose confidence that you can do something else and be well off.
CHOOSE this career. Don't be trapped by it

 

[Ty Webb]

Pilots are full of BS. Age 65 was awesome because it exposed every guy who said "65 hell no, I might work to 62 for Medicare to kick in but I'm ready to be done right now"... Or some flavor of that BS.

Lear 70 went a long way to getting AIP 1 shot down and proceeded to peddle AirTran BS on this website. It went something like this.
1. I'll hang on to AAI until the end. Money isn't important.
2. QOL is my bag, I work one or two trips a month, all PUJ 36 hour overnights, so I can enjoy the beach, cocktails, and most importantly get my workouts in.

Here is a sample:

"I'm here to work my 70-80 block hours a month, 840-960 hours per year (before vacation). The question is HOW HARD do I have to work to make that time. Here I can do it in 2-3 legs per day flying longer legs to fun destinations with long overnights. There... not so much.

Everyone on here was saying how EASY it was to get rid of your trips at Southwest, to trip improve, to pick up premium time, how much better our Quality of Life would be over there... unfortunately, it's not true, not for our F/O's anyway. People at my seniority over at SWA are working EVERY weekend, EVERY holiday, can't get rid of their trips, never get premium time because senior people snag it, etc, etc. And those are from guys who were all RAH RAH SOUTHWEST at the MEC meetings before the votes and couldn't get there fast enough.

They like the company (Southwest). They hate their Quality of Life compared to what it was at AirTran.

Therefore I'll hang out here until I'm forced across the partition, that's all. Not angry about it, but it's a simple fact, our Quality of Life and trip trading/dropping system is superior to yours due to the lack of ability to straight drop back to the company or trade trips without some imaginary threshold of minimum duty days we "owe" the company. "

So you can imagine my shock when SWA changed the rules and opened ground school to everyone... Number 1 on the list is Lear 70. Thanks for fighting hard to make sure we have half pay to the last day while jumping on the first train to Dallas and diving head first into that SWA cheddar!

Good luck! See you in 2015.

Lear spent hundreds of hours as an unpaid volunteer member at both the former NPA and at ATN71. While you may not agree with him (or PCL128) he volunteered his time to help his fellow pilots; what did YOU do to help accomplish anything for our pilot group?

Starting this string was an absolutely chickenshh!t thing to do. If you think it is "OK" to try to "out" your former coworkers as they transition, start first by putting your own name on it.

There are clear SWA rules about what you are doing (consult your handbook) and also Federal laws against actions resulting in a hostile workplace. You do know that the webmaster of this board will give up your info if required, right? It's very simple to obtain this type of court order; happens thousands of times a day.

Cheers,
Ty

 

[dicko]

Sure did. That's one technique to learn all aspects of the contract. But not the recommended way..

Did the same thing a few months ago - I ended up with the same 'quality' of line that I normally get.

 

[waveflyer]

You guys really do have a neurotic union don't you

I agree about outing

But there won't be a hostile work environment for anyone- I've seen a few from both sides try to do that and they get called out as d-bags pretty quick-
It is what it is- and most realize it'll take some patience to see how this place actually is-

Now if you get an all FI crew....? YMMV

 

[Lear70]

Wow, I'm gone for almost half a year and look what happens! I'm flattered that you still think about me from time to time, it's very sweet Crash Pad. We should get together sometime, maybe coffee? Even dinner? I'm a cheap date.

*chuckle* You guys have WAY too much time on your hands. One of our guys called me and mentioned the fun you were having on here today, thanks for the shout-out (call-out).

PCL is right, however, about bypassing for about half a year now. When the first MCO bid came out last November for a January class, I deferred, and did again each bid that came out until now. I had planned to stick around flying my Int'l trips 'til the end, but we got a look at the Sep ATL lines (and thereafter) after the summer flying dies off, combined with the departure of SJU from our schedule completely as SWA takes it over, combined with de-hubbing ATL. What you will see is the 737 flying much more traditional SWA pairings, with the added bonus of a lot of 4-days, uncommutable on both sides, 3-4 legs a day to short overnights, and I wouldn't be bidding senior enough in ATL (there's about 20-30 senior 737 F/O's hanging on at the top) to continue holding my Int'l trips consistently.

So fly a lot and make AirTran money? Or fly a lot and make SWA money? Pretty easy decision, and I'm over the angst, just want to fly my trips, have a good time, and go home. The up-side? No more union work. Ever. Again. Which evidently should make people on both sides clearly happy. Why do things for thankless people?

As for what Max said about what happened when? Who cares? It's over. I've said everything that needs saying about it, it's not worth hashing over anymore, and who the hell REALLY wants to get into all that? AGAIN.

Gotta go see if the Egg is ready for the corn yet, just got back from swimming with my son, wife just came home from work, got bought off my trip this week for my first time ever at AirTran, and bid my one line for next month, 24 hr AUA, 24 hr PUJ, 24 hr PUJ, 24 hr AUA, 18 days off, weekends off, life is good. It's my last month of having a cush schedule for probably the remainder of my 40's, so I'm gonna soak it up and prepare for Dallas in August. Maybe I'll make a Youtube video of cooking an egg in the SWA parking lot... on the asphalt.

Oh, and Crashpad, if you ever want to get a beer and tongue lash me for SIA stuff, you have my number. Cheers, and fly safe out there fellas (and ladies)!

 

[waveflyer]

Fair enough

Thread closed

(Bc that always works so well)

 

[flyboyike]

Why do things for thankless people?

Good question.