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[Luv2BFlyin]

Wow, just wow. This coming from the kid with a twelfth grade education. Believing that you are the better judge of what is in the best interests of the whole that surely included PhD.'s, lawyers and any number of advanced degrees. Perhaps you share your beliefs with the masses and let them decide what the best course of action is. The truly insightful method would include sharing whatever wisdom was shared with you and then believing the group as a whole was intelligent enough to make a decision using all available resources.

We shall see. This is far from over. The DFR and DRC cases will bring out a lot of information that would have previously not been seen by the rank and file.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

BIG difference between the Eastern guys at SWA and Eastern guys from Valujet...

To suggest otherwise is moronic....

Me and every other Eastern guy at SWA wouldn't even think of sending an app into Valujet/Airtran.

Nice try though.

How do you feel about the majority of our ex EAL that walked the picket line, didn't cross, and came to FL? They must be beneath you because they thought of sending in an ap to Valujet/AirTran.

BTW, if you really are rEAL, do see any similarities between EAL and WN?

 

[waveflyer]

A professional pilot flies the airplane how their company wants them to fly it-

Since when do procedures define how good a job is?

Of course.

But I do find it funny how for years prior to the announcement, all I heard from AT crews was how bad it was over there, and many wanted to be over at SW. And not only on FI.

In addition to the folks that I know personally over there, I'd run into AT folks on the prison bus, jumpseats, airports etc. and none of them had much, if anything glowing to say about working at AT. A lot of "you guys hiring?" type of comments. I realize this is anecdotal, but until recently, I never heard how great pre 9/27 AT was to work at.

Too bad the word didn't get out sooner. Maybe some of our junior guys could've jumped ship and enjoyed the wonderful AT experience, and even ended up higher on the list than they are now!

 

[Tripower455]

A professional pilot flies the airplane how their company wants them to fly it-

Since when do procedures define how good a job is?

When the argument gets weak, you have to dig deeper for justification.

 

[humveedriver]

A professional pilot flies the airplane how their company wants them to fly it-

Since when do procedures define how good a job is?

All I know is I can't go to Starbucks now unless one of us is on guard duty. Which really isn't that big of a deal. What actually is stupid is having to have one
pilot hang out during an aircraft swap with limited ground time. Wave there is nothing I can say that will make you think or feel any differently. Nor do I want you to. SWA is perfect in your eyes and even though they hosed you with this acquisition, you are not going to let it get you down. Good for you. Yeah Southwest. Now lets drink.

 

[flygirlqt]

PCL - The Peter Griffin of Air Tran

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

All I know is I can't go to Starbucks now unless one of us is on guard duty. Which really isn't that big of a deal. What actually is stupid is having to have one
pilot hang out during an aircraft swap with limited ground time. Wave there is nothing I can say that will make you think or feel any differently. Nor do I want you to. SWA is perfect in your eyes and even though they hosed you with this acquisition, you are not going to let it get you down. Good for you. Yeah Southwest. Now lets drink.

Is that only when the APU is running, or whenever the ac is powered up even on ground power.

 

[Tripower455]

All I know is I can't go to Starbucks now unless one of us is on guard duty. Which really isn't that big of a deal. What actually is stupid is having to have one
pilot hang out during an aircraft swap with limited ground time.

Wow. You're right, because of that idiotic rule, AT was a far better career than SW.

 

[humveedriver]

Wow. You're right, because of that idiotic rule, AT was a far better career than SW.

Believe it or not, I'm not trying to pick a fight. Nor am I all together disappointed that SWA bought us. Another poster said something about new blood. I'm entitled to my own perspective.

 

[Tripower455]

Believe it or not, I'm not trying to pick a fight. Nor am I all together disappointed that SWA bought us. Another poster said something about new blood. I'm entitled to my own perspective.

Of course! I'm just giving you a hard time. All in jest my brutha!

 

[Ty Webb]

Btw, what's with all these gear pins, and babysitting APU's? Was there once a rash of gear collapses and APU fires we never heard about?

 

[Tripower455]

Btw, what's with all these gear pins, and babysitting APU's? Was there once a rash of gear collapses and APU fires we never heard about?

THat's the way we've always done it. Blame the Mather Mafia.

 

[Ty Webb]

THat's the way we've always done it. Blame the Mather Mafia.

Well, I'm sure we have our own operational peculiarities, too. Let's hope some good ones survive, and bad ones fall by the wayside. :beer:

 

[waveflyer]

All I know is I can't go to Starbucks now unless one of us is on guard duty. Which really isn't that big of a deal. What actually is stupid is having to have one
pilot hang out during an aircraft swap with limited ground time. Wave there is nothing I can say that will make you think or feel any differently. Nor do I want you to. SWA is perfect in your eyes and even though they hosed you with this acquisition, you are not going to let it get you down. Good for you. Yeah Southwest. Now lets drink.

Only thing I disagree on is the "perfect" part-
But no squabble with that - I'm Irish, sure you want to drink?
Haha- lets do this!
(And completely stupid about babysitting on 20 min turns- Agreed)

 

[PCL_128]

The truly insightful method would include sharing whatever wisdom was shared with you and then believing the group as a whole was intelligent enough to make a decision using all available resources.

Yes, that's a wonderful idea. Waive your rights to attorney client privilege and let management know what all of your attorneys have to say. Brilliant.

 

[HowardBorden]

Yes, that's a wonderful idea. Waive your rights to attorney client privilege and let management know what all of your attorneys have to say. Brilliant.

YOU were NEVER a client. ALPA was a client. Every dollar that went to said attorney's came from the constituents you were supposed to represent, they deserved to know what opinions were entrusted to "your ears only." Trust me when I say "management" already knew what you were being told by ALPA's lawyers.

 

[PCL_128]

YOU were NEVER a client.

Didn't say I was. The MEC was a client, however, and they were protected by attorney-client privilege. Going out and saying "here's what the attorneys had to say yesterday" is effectively waiving your attorney-client privilege, making it all discoverable, and handing management all of the information that you have, making it very easy for them to manipulate the situation. Again, stupid move.

Every dollar that went to said attorney's came from the constituents you were supposed to represent, they deserved to know what opinions were entrusted to "your ears only."

Nonsense. A governance process is in place for a very good reason. The pilots pay to have a union that protects their interests, and sometimes that means closed session meetings where attorneys provide counsel to union leaders who make tough decisions. This isn't a direct democracy, nor should it be.

 

[Crash Pad]

If the MEC has a ton of extra info, lawyers, years of experience, etc. and votes 8-0 to preappeove deal 2.

One can only assume the lawyers told them the jig is up.

You could argue that the MEC was following the pilot groups wishes... but then you would put deal 1 out for a vote if you are just doing whatever the pilots want.

PCL please clarify was the MEC doing whatever the pilot group wanted or did they have superior knowledge?

 

[Kenney G]

If the MEC has a ton of extra info, lawyers, years of experience, etc. and votes 8-0 to preappeove deal 2.

One can only assume the lawyers told them the jig is up.



Or you could say the AirTran pilots already folded with the facebook pages and letters to SWA management. Maybe they just gave up. Can't go to battle without the troops behind you.

 

[Ty Webb]

YOU were NEVER a client. ALPA was a client. Every dollar that went to said attorney's came from the constituents you were supposed to represent, they deserved to know what opinions were entrusted to "your ears only." Trust me when I say "management" already knew what you were being told by ALPA's lawyers.

Howard, what is your particular fascination with the relationship between ALPA and the Pilots of AirTran? Don't you think it would be ludicrous for me to come on here and start hammering on SWAPA?

I mean, really . . . . you're starting to sound like General Lee when he harangues SWA pilots over the SLI.