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[HowardBorden]

Yes, that's a wonderful idea. Waive your rights to attorney client privilege and let management know what all of your attorneys have to say. Brilliant.

YOU were NEVER a client. ALPA was a client. Every dollar that went to said attorney's came from the constituents you were supposed to represent, they deserved to know what opinions were entrusted to "your ears only." Trust me when I say "management" already knew what you were being told by ALPA's lawyers.

 

[PCL_128]

YOU were NEVER a client.

Didn't say I was. The MEC was a client, however, and they were protected by attorney-client privilege. Going out and saying "here's what the attorneys had to say yesterday" is effectively waiving your attorney-client privilege, making it all discoverable, and handing management all of the information that you have, making it very easy for them to manipulate the situation. Again, stupid move.

Every dollar that went to said attorney's came from the constituents you were supposed to represent, they deserved to know what opinions were entrusted to "your ears only."

Nonsense. A governance process is in place for a very good reason. The pilots pay to have a union that protects their interests, and sometimes that means closed session meetings where attorneys provide counsel to union leaders who make tough decisions. This isn't a direct democracy, nor should it be.

 

[Crash Pad]

If the MEC has a ton of extra info, lawyers, years of experience, etc. and votes 8-0 to preappeove deal 2.

One can only assume the lawyers told them the jig is up.

You could argue that the MEC was following the pilot groups wishes... but then you would put deal 1 out for a vote if you are just doing whatever the pilots want.

PCL please clarify was the MEC doing whatever the pilot group wanted or did they have superior knowledge?

 

[Kenney G]

If the MEC has a ton of extra info, lawyers, years of experience, etc. and votes 8-0 to preappeove deal 2.

One can only assume the lawyers told them the jig is up.



Or you could say the AirTran pilots already folded with the facebook pages and letters to SWA management. Maybe they just gave up. Can't go to battle without the troops behind you.

 

[Ty Webb]

YOU were NEVER a client. ALPA was a client. Every dollar that went to said attorney's came from the constituents you were supposed to represent, they deserved to know what opinions were entrusted to "your ears only." Trust me when I say "management" already knew what you were being told by ALPA's lawyers.

Howard, what is your particular fascination with the relationship between ALPA and the Pilots of AirTran? Don't you think it would be ludicrous for me to come on here and start hammering on SWAPA?

I mean, really . . . . you're starting to sound like General Lee when he harangues SWA pilots over the SLI.

 

[HowardBorden]

Howard, what is your particular fascination with the relationship between ALPA and the Pilots of AirTran? Don't you think it would be ludicrous for me to come on here and start hammering on SWAPA?

I mean, really . . . . you're starting to sound like General Lee when he harangues SWA pilots over the SLI.

Youre absolutely right Ty, I just need to drop it. I guess the fascination stems from the perspective that failures on ALPA's part get attributed to SWAPA handing out a screwjob. SWAPA did what any union should, which is actively striving for the best deal for its members.

But most definitely if my words warrant a GL comparison it is surely time to shut the he!!up.

 

[Ty Webb]

Youre absolutely right Ty, I just need to drop it. I guess the fascination stems from the perspective that failures on ALPA's part get attributed to SWAPA handing out a screwjob. SWAPA did what any union should, which is actively striving for the best deal for its members.

But most definitely if my words warrant a GL comparison it is surely time to shut the he!!up.

Sorry, I guess that was unduly harsh.

My own viewpoint on what unfolded is that there is more than enough blame to go around, and I don't hold any particular individual or group responsible for what transpired; we all share some of the responsibility. If I decided to start blaming people, I would have to blame everyone, myself included.

Regards,
Ty

 

[PCL_128]

PCL please clarify was the MEC doing whatever the pilot group wanted or did they have superior knowledge?

Maybe you should ask the MEC.