HAL hiring

[Dan Roman]

Ha! Hawaii is not an unfriendly place when it comes to the mighty dollar. Everyone thought Go would be met with hostility. Instead the locals loved the price. If any airline decided to come in inter island and fly to the West Coast, Alaska is liked, the locals will go wherever the cheapest fare is. And from what I see the inter island fares are much to high, since Aloha folded, for the locals. A merger or acquisition or better yet new arrival will be welcomed as long as fares come down. Unfriendly, I think not, that's your ego talking.

Go failed as badly as it's possible for an airline to fail.
Your the ex Aloha guy who was complaining about HA's hiring process (sorry you didn't get hired) then you were saying you hope HA gets bought and all it's pilots (including all your ex co workers from AQ ) get stapled. Nuff said.

 

[Dan Roman]

I think you'd be dead wrong in your assessment. Right or wrong, the larger group always prevails. The arbitrators threw the career expectations of CAL pilots right out the window. UAL prevailed. Same for Airtran vs SWA. It is what it is.

Your best bet now would be to have your MEC draw up a successorship agreement with management that states the exact terms and conditions HAL pilots are to receive were a merger to occur. Have it be as iron-clad as debt liability assumed in any merger transaction. Otherwise, were a merger to play out, you will get clobbered by the larger group. Trust me. It just is what it is.

The judge (or judges in the case of a arb panel) can, and will, do whatever they want. What you see as reasonable will not be what they are seeing, and vice versa.

You raise some good points, but the reality is that if anyone bought us it would probably be someone with a large fleet of widebodies already. My point about the career expectations was if the SWA pipe dream happened. It really is unrealistic for a lot of reasons that have been hashed out before on here.

 

[Double Shot]

I wouldn't call buying Hawaiian a pipe dream. And as far as there are roughly 8000 of us and only 650 ish of you I'll take those those odds....

 

[waveflyer]

You raise some good points, but the reality is that if anyone bought us it would probably be someone with a large fleet of widebodies already. My point about the career expectations was if the SWA pipe dream happened. It really is unrealistic for a lot of reasons that have been hashed out before on here.

You hope that so desperately

HAWAIIAN AIRLINESoperated by Southwest Airlines

 

[Dan Roman]

You hope that so desperately

HAWAIIAN AIRLINESoperated by Southwest Airlines

Actually Wave, it appears it's a much bigger deal for you then me.
Really dude, if "Gary" thought adding a relatively small Airbus hub in HNL as a good way to expand, your career would be in serious jeopardy.

 

[Dan Roman]

I wouldn't call buying Hawaiian a pipe dream. And as far as there are roughly 8000 of us and only 650 ish of you I'll take those those odds....

You don't know much about Hawaiian, Hawaii or the reality of someone from the outside trying to conduct business over here if it causes problems for those of us who are already established here.

 

[Dan Roman]

You hope that so desperately

HAWAIIAN AIRLINESoperated by Southwest Airlines

That said, not sure why you would be promoting a concept that has a separate operation operated by non SWAPA pilots? Or even worse, a venue for SWAPA pilots to try and trickle over into a very hostile environment?

 

[Jim]

You hope that so desperately

HAWAIIAN AIRLINESoperated by Southwest Airlines

Purple isn't our corporate color anymore, it's blue now.

 

[waveflyer]

Purple isn't our corporate color anymore, it's blue now.

Apologies Jim

HAWAIIAN AIRLINESoperated by Southwest

That better?

 

[waveflyer]

That said, not sure why you would be promoting a concept that has a separate operation operated by non SWAPA pilots? Or even worse, a venue for SWAPA pilots to try and trickle over into a very hostile environment?

We wouldn't be a separate group. Our contract doesn't allow that as I'm sure yours doesn't, and it would be a terrible modern precedent.
We'd have our SLI, but that doesn't mean that SWA couldn't see the value in keeping the hawaiian brand and negotiate something with the unions to honor the history as well as we could.

I'd imagine we'd have to negotiate some sort of a system flush rebid so that it doesn't become this little hostile island out there-
but what are you saying anyway?
You gonna beat me up if I show up after being awarded an HNL 330 slot my seniority can hold??
Is that how it works there brother?

 

[Dan Roman]

We wouldn't be a separate group. Our contract doesn't allow that as I'm sure yours doesn't, and it would be a terrible modern precedent.
We'd have our SLI, but that doesn't mean that SWA couldn't see the value in keeping the hawaiian brand and negotiate something with the unions to honor the history as well as we could.

I'd imagine we'd have to negotiate some sort of a system flush rebid so that it doesn't become this little hostile island out there-
but what are you saying anyway?
You gonna beat me up if I show up after being awarded an HNL 330 slot my seniority can hold??
Is that how it works there brother?

Wave, you are turning this around as if I made the threat. You are the one who suggested a scenario that would degrade the careers of the HA pilots (SWA merger) While what we bring to the table is a plus, what you bring is not. None of us have any interest in what you do. No offense, nothing wrong with it and more power to you if you enjoy it, but it's not any gain for us.
I'm not going all General Lee on you, I have nothing bad to say about flying to LUB but what you do doesn't do anything to enhance what we do. Live and let live, but if you want to try and steal what others have and you didn't earn it, you are going to get a very nasty fight.

 

[Jim]

Apologies Jim

HAWAIIAN AIRLINESoperated by Southwest

That better?

Nope. More like this....

 

[808pilot]

to answer the earlier questions about the hiring process... its all changing... whole new app process... they are completely flushing the old way... haven't heard yet how they are gonna interview people yet... and that won't rea;;y happen until 2016... its gonna be hiring for attrition/retires... then in 2016 supposedly the big hiring starts up again...

all assuming we don't get bought by the mighty southwest! no one... and i mean this truthfully wants to do the flying that southwest does... no offense... to me and only me i see it as really well paid regional flying... i'll take my int'l 3 days and 2 day west coasts any day...

 

[waveflyer]

Wave, you are turning this around as if I made the threat. You are the one who suggested a scenario that would degrade the careers of the HA pilots (SWA merger) While what we bring to the table is a plus, what you bring is not. None of us have any interest in what you do. No offense, nothing wrong with it and more power to you if you enjoy it, but it's not any gain for us.
I'm not going all General Lee on you, I have nothing bad to say about flying to LUB but what you do doesn't do anything to enhance what we do. Live and let live, but if you want to try and steal what others have and you didn't earn it, you are going to get a very nasty fight.

First that was seriously GL- but you've been a hater for some time- ain't no big thing. There's lots of that around

But "None" of you Dan?

Really? None?

Not one of your pilots would like to have the option of 10 domestic bases and more money? I mean c'mon- seat for seat we all make more than your 330 pilots flying a 737.
"None" of you have lived through liquidation at Aloha or HALs BK in 2003 and would appreciate the job security of being owned by a company with $6 billion in the bank and billions more in owned aircraft (not leases)

You're a takeover target dude.
A good value from a corporate perspective for what you are
Swapa does not allow any code share, so maybe HQ decides to expand our brand a little bit international and pick up some good international experience to lead us to the next stage.
None of us here wants that either mind you- but we learned the hard way that GK does what he wants and he feels is right- and is not all that concerned with how pilots "feel"

If GK decides to spend SWA money buying you instead of more SWA airplanes then no Swapa pilot will be "stealing" anything. You need to get that one brother.
That's a real dumb comment.
You'll have seniority in the combined airline and as much as I'm just stoking sh/t up- don't pretend when you go to work every day that you might not be scooped by any of 5 or 6 different mainline based airlines.
I don't want that-
But you already said that Hawaiian doesn't really fit into other people's networks-
Maybe SWA as the fledgling international carrier, would be the one to do it.

Who knows?

But if that 10% chance comes to fruition, get the idea that we'd be stealing something unearned out of your head- bc that argument flows both ways

 

[Dan Roman]

Wave I seriously doubt you could find a single HA pilot that would want to be be bought by SWA. If there is one, that's his problem, he should have applied there rather than come here. Most of the pilots here are at HA because our operation fits what they want to do. Just like most of the pilots at SWA are there because that's where they want to be (until the AirTran mergers that is!)
But the fact that I state the obvious, that a merger is highly unlikely and certainly not in our best interest somehow makes me a SWA hater is a little narcissistic on your part. Just because I don't want to do what you do doesn't make me a hater.