Got the Rejection Letter from Usairways

[Turtle21]

I've been very fortunate to make money outside aviation and also in Apple stock which I've been a fan of since the early 90's but that has absolutely no effect on what I feel is the value of the time I provide my employer when I'm at work. I expect to be properly compensated for this time irrespective of what I make on the outside.

No pilot disagrees with that. And every pilot group, given the same circumstances, would end up doing the exact same thing. Pilots are just people and no pilot group is any different than another.

Its just like when a pilot is caught up in circumstances that result in a Class A mishap... mature pilots don't mouth off about how the outcome would have been different if they were the ones in the cockpit. Only fools go there.

 

[charlie2]

You could make that case in ANY industry. Are you going to work yourself to death then? Because thats whats happening over there. Do your 320/737 captainslike making less than a 4th yr southwest f/o?

Even if my pay rate was more than SW I would still keep my five other sources of income because I don't trust my management or other pilots. I SAP down to minimums every month so no I'm not working myself to death.

 

[General Lee]

Even if my pay rate was more than SW I would still keep my five other sources of income because I don't trust my management or other pilots. I SAP down to minimums every month so no I'm not working myself to death.

Let me guess? Your nickname at your other 5 jobs is "Magic Mike...." Riiiiiight.


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[charlie2]

[I am a major airline pilot, almost all of us US Air pilots work two jobs to pay the bills].......unbucking believable. AA pilots beware. This is poison.

Two? Most of the pilots I fly with have numerous "pipelines" of income because they are smart and hard working type A people. I really enjoy my other endeavors. You would be surprised at what the pilots I fly with do, from consulting, owning a vinyard, construction, owning commercial property (like me), supervising in a family owned biz and many more. We have a lot of time off in this biz so we take advantage of it and make stuff. I bet there are many AA pilots who do other things as well so they don't need to "beware". When I'm in cruise for a four hour flight I don't read the AIM to the other piot. I know it already and when I fly with another business owner it is really fun to compare notes. I guess you sit there and talk about FAR's?

 

[HA25]

Two? Most of the pilots I fly with have numerous "pipelines" of income because they are smart and hard working type A people. I really enjoy my other endeavors. You would be surprised at what the pilots I fly with do, from consulting, owning a vinyard, construction, owning commercial property (like me), supervising in a family owned biz and many more. We have a lot of time off in this biz so we take advantage of it and make stuff. I bet there are many AA pilots who do other things as well so they don't need to "beware". When I'm in cruise for a four hour flight I don't read the AIM to the other piot. I know it already and when I fly with another business owner it is really fun to compare notes. I guess you sit there and talk about FAR's?

and let me guess you all watch Fox News and you all want to cut taxes further on the top 1%? I think I'm beginning to understand you better now.

 

[charlie2]

Let me guess? Your nickname at your other 5 jobs is "Magic Mike...." Riiiiiight.


Bye Bye----General Lee

Hi Field Narshall. They really aren't jobs. I own the business's and I can run them from the great hotels I get to spend time in and even while pax are boarding I will answer the phone. I'm a little surprised by the responses to my post. Are you really against a pilot having a side biz? What if I lose my medical? I'm prepared for that.

 

[charlie2]

and let me guess you all watch Fox News and you all want to cut taxes further on the top 1%? I think I'm beginning to understand you better now.

I'm not tracking here...what? I read the Washington Post and the Washington Times and I don't vote party lines. I'm an American and by definition hate any taxes so ya cut 'em!

 

[HA25]

Hi Field Narshall. They really aren't jobs. I own the business's and I can run them from the great hotels I get to spend time in and even while pax are boarding I will answer the phone. I'm a little surprised by the responses to my post. Are you really against a pilot having a side biz? What if I lose my medical? I'm prepared for that.

I have a strip mall and a stock portfolio I trade, doesn't mean I don't expect to get paid industry standard wages at a minimum... you keep your beloved seniority at a cost to the industry since your "pilot group" is making wages below some of the bottom feeder ACMI's I worked for while between real jobs

 

[charlie2]

I have a strip mall and a stock portfolio I trade, doesn't mean I don't expect to get paid industry standard wages at a minimum... you keep your beloved seniority at a cost to the industry since your "pilot group" is making wages below some of the bottom feeder ACMI's I worked for while between real jobs

Come on Mam I'm a line pilot with virtually no influence in the union. If you think I do then you must think you have a lot of powere so why don't you just change everything right now and make it all OK or are you just a big talker? Go on change it all or are you a line pilot like me? I have only one ...ONE vote how many do you have? This airline being run by an ex-con has a few hundred pilots...actually I think it's more than that so my one vote doesn't change things that much. I don't owe you anything so don't think I'll vote for a contract that has a slightly higher rate but worse work rules. Contracts have a little more in them then pay rates youmust be new.

 

[Turtle21]

I have a strip mall and a stock portfolio I trade, doesn't mean I don't expect to get paid industry standard wages at a minimum... you keep your beloved seniority at a cost to the industry since your "pilot group" is making wages below some of the bottom feeder ACMI's I worked for while between real jobs

Oh give it a rest. You would do the same thing if your lousy union stood by and left you hanging in the wind. And repeatedly proposing that pay raises are available for a forfeiture of seniority is ignorant--they aren't. ALPA decided years ago to pit pilot groups against each other at the expense of each other---name an industry were union members perform the same job but can make less than $10k to more than $250k... For the same skill.

Pilots are gonna bitch at each other. It's systemic to the game ALPA chose. Whatever, drool over every new ALPA magazine or spend time building other streams of income. It's your choice. :lol:

 

[General Lee]

Hi Field Narshall. They really aren't jobs. I own the business's and I can run them from the great hotels I get to spend time in and even while pax are boarding I will answer the phone. I'm a little surprised by the responses to my post. Are you really against a pilot having a side biz? What if I lose my medical? I'm prepared for that.

Hey, if you can run 5 businesses while flying your plane, I'm impressed. Good for you Ronald Chump. But, if your East group accepted the BINDING AWRD called the NIC Award and then moved on like every other pilot group that has accepted binding arbitration, you might be able to drop one of the five businesses and make more pilot pay, and move on. Do the right thing.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[charlie2]

Oh give it a rest. You would do the same thing if your lousy union stood by and left you hanging in the wind. And repeatedly proposing that pay raises are available for a forfeiture of seniority is ignorant--they aren't. ALPA decided years ago to pit pilot groups against each other at the expense of each other---name an industry were union members perform the same job but can make less than $10k to more than $250k... For the same skill.

Pilots are gonna bitch at each other. It's systemic to the game ALPA chose. Whatever, drool over every new ALPA magazine or spend time building other streams of income. It's your choice. :lol:

I guess the original paradigm was that if you are flying a bigger airplane and you are making more money for the company and have a bigger responsibilty then you should be compensated more. So a 330 pilot who flys 285 pax to Germany and then 30 hours later flys another 285 pax back is worth more then I am? In that same three day period I flew 1200 pax. I made more revenue for the company...Thanks ALPA.

 

[charlie2]

Hey, if you can run 5 businesses while flying your plane, I'm impressed. Good for you Ronald Chump. But, if your East group accepted the BINDING AWRD called the NIC Award and then moved on like every other pilot group that has accepted binding award, you might be able to drop one of the five businesses and make more pilot pay, and move on. Do the right thing.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Ok I'll push the button. OK now the nic is the list but I'm not going to give up any of my other incomes. The nic is binding but there has to be a ratification of a contract (which part of that are you not tracking on?) and so far there is nothing even remotely close to being acceptable so why Field Marshall are you saying that I have to give up my outstanding rights under the RLA and just vote yes on the trash the AWA ex-con and his team are pushing on us?

 

[HA25]

Oh give it a rest. You would do the same thing if your lousy union stood by and left you hanging in the wind. And repeatedly proposing that pay raises are available for a forfeiture of seniority is ignorant--they aren't. ALPA decided years ago to pit pilot groups against each other at the expense of each other---name an industry were union members perform the same job but can make less than $10k to more than $250k... For the same skill.

Pilots are gonna bitch at each other. It's systemic to the game ALPA chose. Whatever, drool over every new ALPA magazine or spend time building other streams of income. It's your choice. :lol:

It's clear that everyone else who's looked at this case finds you USAir East, to be in the wrong... your company was bankrupt and couldn't pay it's bills, and was going to miss paying your pay... America West came in and bought it and called it a merger... This is much like TWA and American, and nothing like Reno/American or Morris/Southwest & Airtran/Southwest.. There is precedent and it's not the first time this happened, yet you guys got your ego's and won't accept that America West saved your arse.... If Hawaiian were to swoop in and buy American in BK (impossible due to to the restructuring costs, but just to make the point), I would expect nothing more for the American pilots than a 1:1 SLI.... if on the other hand it was a merger of equals, then a DOH might make more sense.. This isn't rocket science and the longer it takes you to realize it, the longer you'll go on making startup Allegiant type wages/work rules at a legacy airline...

it's you who needs to give it a rest and move forward, so we can reunite as ONE union and get this profession back on the road.

 

[relief tube]

I was a FO on the jungle jet for a 121 carrier and had over 1000 SIC time on it. I don't know what they are looking for. I have a 4 year degree, 121 experience, jet time.

General Lee exactly what other position would i want to apply for. I guess things happen for a reason and perhaps it is better for me. I try to stay positive

1000 SIC.....that means about a year at a regional. Sorry but that's not competitive at all.

 

[Turtle21]

It's clear that everyone else who's looked at this case finds you USAir East, to be in the wrong... your company was bankrupt and couldn't pay it's bills, and was going to miss paying your pay... America West came in and bought it and called it a merger... This is much like TWA and American, and nothing like Reno/American or Morris/Southwest & Airtran/Southwest.. There is precedent and it's not the first time this happened, yet you guys got your ego's and won't accept that America West saved your arse.... If Hawaiian were to swoop in and buy American in BK (impossible due to to the restructuring costs, but just to make the point), I would expect nothing more for the American pilots than a 1:1 SLI.... if on the other hand it was a merger of equals, then a DOH might make more sense.. This isn't rocket science and the longer it takes you to realize it, the longer you'll go on making startup Allegiant type wages/work rules at a legacy airline...

it's you who needs to give it a rest and move forward, so we can reunite as ONE union and get this profession back on the road.

:lol: :lol: Thou dost protest too much. Relax already and enjoy the holidays. Happy new year!

 

[Monster Buck]

Hi Field Narshall. They really aren't jobs. I own the business's and I can run them from the great hotels I get to spend time in and even while pax are boarding I will answer the phone. I'm a little surprised by the responses to my post. Are you really against a pilot having a side biz? What if I lose my medical? I'm prepared for that.

you initially went down the path of needing not choosing 2 very separate things

 

[charlie2]

you initially went down the path of needing not choosing 2 very separate things

Huh? I'm a retired military officer, a business owner, a volunteer in my community and oh ya a pilot for a lousy company run by the AWA ex-con drunkin CEO...2 paths?

 

[HA25]

:lol: :lol: Thou dost protest too much. Relax already and enjoy the holidays. Happy new year!

Thanks, you too!

 

[jonjuan]

1000 SIC.....that means about a year at a regional. Sorry but that's not competitive at all.

Quite a few at dal with those numbers.