Got the Rejection Letter from Usairways

[HA25]

Quite a few at dal with those numbers.

I'd be willing to best that the majority are female.

 

[Scoot 11]

Hi Field Narshall. They really aren't jobs. I own the business's and I can run them from the great hotels I get to spend time in and even while pax are boarding I will answer the phone. I'm a little surprised by the responses to my post. Are you really against a pilot having a side biz? What if I lose my medical? I'm prepared for that.

So you are going to put your families welfare in the hands of your decision making? Good luck with that.
In the meantime, how about the other quagmire that your pilot group has put on this industry. Your industry dragging pay and work rules?

 

[charlie2]

So you are going to put your families welfare in the hands of your decision making? Good luck with that.
In the meantime, how about the other quagmire that your pilot group has put on this industry. Your industry dragging pay and work rules?

It sounds like you want us to vote in a lousy contract that has a few bucks more an hour to help you out? With the governments help our wonderful management is not backing off the Kirby Proposal. The "Term Sheet" or MOU with AA pilots is similiar. Instead of making vague statements like "your pilot group..." why don't you be more specific and explain to our pilot group why you think a contract with no scope, no min fleet and no min utilization rates is a good thing. It is a fact that we have min utilization rates in our current contract and the company violated it and we won that arbitration a few years ago. So if it's not even in the contract why would you believe that they would properly utilize the only money maker in the company? I'm sorry we do charge for beer so flying the planes isn't the only money maker...but you don't really think people would board the aircraft just to buy a beer and then leave do you? My prediction is you wont have any thing to say about this post. My guess is you don't even understand min utilization rates do you.

 

[HA25]

It sounds like you want us to vote in a lousy contract that has a few bucks more an hour to help you out?

You guys are making $62/hr less than every other A330 current contract, and $40/hr less than our 3 year old contract.... I'd hardly call that a few bucks..

Nevermind the work rules..

 

[Scoot 11]

It sounds like you want us to vote in a lousy contract that has a few bucks more an hour to help you out? With the governments help our wonderful management is not backing off the Kirby Proposal. The "Term Sheet" or MOU with AA pilots is similiar. Instead of making vague statements like "your pilot group..." why don't you be more specific and explain to our pilot group why you think a contract with no scope, no min fleet and no min utilization rates is a good thing. It is a fact that we have min utilization rates in our current contract and the company violated it and we won that arbitration a few years ago. So if it's not even in the contract why would you believe that they would properly utilize the only money maker in the company? I'm sorry we do charge for beer so flying the planes isn't the only money maker...but you don't really think people would board the aircraft just to buy a beer and then leave do you? My prediction is you wont have any thing to say about this post. My guess is you don't even understand min utilization rates do you.

Ok, let's look at the "few bucks more an hour" you're talking about, K?

All 12th yr pay rates: Per hour
Airbus 330
LCC = $160
DAL = $222
UAL = $235 (764 rates at DAL pay banded with 330 rates)

B737

LCC = $125
DAL = $188
UAL = $189

You're not even close. You haven't negotiated with the west pilots in good faith in over 5 years. Your union hijacked the pilot group and has got more DFR lawsuits against it than ALPA has in its history!
What I can't understand is you talk about Parker like he's the enemy, and I agree with you, however you're treatment of the west pilots is more of how you should be treating Parker.
You're not even in the ball park! So don't talk to me about min utilization until you bring your gutter wages, and work rules into this century!

 

[charlie2]

You guys are making $62/hr less than every other A330 current contract, and $40/hr less than our 3 year old contract.... I'd hardly call that a few bucks..

Nevermind the work rules..

So don't keep secrets! Come on this is an anonymous web forumn so no one will know that you gave us the secret. Tell us how do we get the ex-con dui chug-a-lug Dougweiser to pay us this $62 an hour more. You wont will you thanks a lot. Work rules are just as important as pay rates. If they raise the rates to 2 billion dollars an hour and they stop flying the airo planes and they furlough me how much per hour will I get on furlough? Exactly.

 

[charlie2]

Ok, let's look at the "few bucks more an hour" you're talking about, K?

All 12th yr pay rates: Per hour
Airbus 330
LCC = $160
DAL = $222
UAL = $235 (764 rates at DAL pay banded with 330 rates)

B737

LCC = $125
DAL = $188
UAL = $189

You're not even close. You haven't negotiated with the west pilots in good faith in over 5 years. Your union hijacked the pilot group and has got more DFR lawsuits against it than ALPA has in its history!
What I can't understand is you talk about Parker like he's the enemy, and I agree with you, however you're treatment of the west pilots is more of how you should be treating Parker.
You're not even in the ball park! So don't talk to me about min utilization until you bring your gutter wages, and work rules into this century!

DUI wants to furlough me and outsource more shiny jets. How will these pay rates help me on furlough? Exactly and no I wont go on furlough to help you.

 

[Turtle21]

So you are going to put your families welfare in the hands of your decision making? Good luck with that.
In the meantime, how about the other quagmire that your pilot group has put on this industry. Your industry dragging pay and work rules?

Oh please. ALPA chose the game we have.... Every pilot group for themselves. It's been that way for years and it won't change. ALPA has members getting paid less than $15k and over $250k performing the same skill.

 

[HA25]

So don't keep secrets! Come on this is an anonymous web forumn so no one will know that you gave us the secret. Tell us how do we get the ex-con dui chug-a-lug Dougweiser to pay us this $62 an hour more. You wont will you thanks a lot. Work rules are just as important as pay rates. If they raise the rates to 2 billion dollars an hour and they stop flying the airo planes and they furlough me how much per hour will I get on furlough? Exactly.

call the Delta or United MEC and see how they did it, or wait... you can't.. you're not ALPA, nvm.

 

[charlie2]

call the Delta or United MEC and see how they did it, or wait... you can't.. you're not ALPA, nvm.

So you wont tell me thanks.

 

[Turtle21]

So you wont tell me thanks.

He has a fast keyboard. If he had any more control of the outcome than we do he would be in Dallas. He's a good pilot, he has whining down pat.

 

[gearjockey]

You guys are making $62/hr less than every other A330 current contract, and $40/hr less than our 3 year old contract.... I'd hardly call that a few bucks..

Nevermind the work rules..

Didn't you just get hired by HA? I'm sure they'll be working on it.

 

[Scoot 11]

DUI wants to furlough me and outsource more shiny jets. How will these pay rates help me on furlough? Exactly and no I wont go on furlough to help you.

Yawn!
That vitriol you have for Parker is what you've done to the west pilots. Show it to Parker. I mean, you've only had what, 7 years?

 

[Scoot 11]

Didn't you just get hired by HA? I'm sure they'll be working on it.

So what. By year three he's already making more on the 717 or 767/330 than the average 25 year east f/o!

 

[Superbird]

Come on Mam I'm a line pilot with virtually no influence in the union. If you think I do then you must think you have a lot of powere so why don't you just change everything right now and make it all OK or are you just a big talker?

Spoken like a true usapa tag along. Brainwashed and apathetic to the core.

Go on change it all or are you a line pilot like me? I have only one ...ONE vote how many do you have? This airline being run by an ex-con has a few hundred pilots...actually I think it's more than that so my one vote doesn't change things that much. I don't owe you anything so don't think I'll vote for a contract that has a slightly higher rate but worse work rules. Contracts have a little more in them then pay rates youmust be new.

usapa is afraid to let you vote, so you'll never get a chance to prove you steadfast convictions.

 

[Superbird]

Come on Mam I'm a line pilot with virtually no influence in the union. If you think I do then you must think you have a lot of powere so why don't you just change everything right now and make it all OK or are you just a big talker? Go on change it all or are you a line pilot like me? I have only one ...ONE vote how many do you have? This airline being run by an ex-con has a few hundred pilots...actually I think it's more than that so my one vote doesn't change things that much. I don't owe you anything so don't think I'll vote for a contract that has a slightly higher rate but worse work rules. Contracts have a little more in them then pay rates youmust be new.

I guess the original paradigm was that if you are flying a bigger airplane and you are making more money for the company and have a bigger responsibilty then you should be compensated more. So a 330 pilot who flys 285 pax to Germany and then 30 hours later flys another 285 pax back is worth more then I am? In that same three day period I flew 1200 pax. I made more revenue for the company...Thanks ALPA.

How much do your captains make on the "big plane"? A330 $159.

 

[becket]

How much do your captains make on the "big plane"? A330 $159.

Parker should be banned from the Industry for saving those thankless pos. talk about career parasites..

 

[VA AV8R]

rejection email. 8000+TT, 2500+ turbine PIC, sim instructor time. ???

No rhyme or reason to any of it, really. I just got my second rejection email this year. Multiple LOR's, résumé walked in, the works.

 

[Carl S.]

Wow, charlie2 has some hate for old Duggie Boy, the guy that got him off the street after all those years....Thanks for your bio also, you forgot your GPA and scouting ranks...you think you deserve something in life, entitlement..the East pilots downfall...

 

[Dan Roman]

So what. By year three he's already making more on the 717 or 767/330 than the average 25 year east f/o!

Actually, if you factor in retirement and hourly pay, an FO at HA fairly quickly makes more than a USAir Capt. Thank you ALPA.
I'm blown away that Charlie2 doesn't realize the reason USAir pays so low is because of the divisiveness that forming a union meant to pit one pilot against another is the reason they are not making higher wages. It's not Doug Parker's doing, it's USAPA they can thank.
Make no mistake about it, what the USAir east pilots have been through since the 1990's has been exceedingly frustrating. It was a great job that took one blow after another from various managements that shamed the memory of Ed Colodney. But if anyone thought forming a union that was simply a reaction to years of frustration and refusal to accept the arbitrators award after promising to do so was going to be effective in any way, than they were fooling themselves.